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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep                 Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| wow, that just about sums up the reasons why I don't do drugs or drink alcohol.
I've been there, I've done the dumb things.... and I'm over it. I've had more fun sober than I've ever had while intoxicated in any way. |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite!   Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6285 days |
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I find it funny that I was just enjoying my pot come down (well, the end of the buzz) until I decided to come back here, and saw this thread.
Originally posted by geeogree Good. I'm glad people realize that alcohol is just as dangerous as cannabis. (edited by windwaker on 03-29-06 01:29 AM) |
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Tarale    2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Hmm... but there's a big difference with alcohol and pot -- for me at least.
I can have a glass of red wine, and I don't get a buzz, I don't get much at all except for the taste of the red wine, and the benefits of antioxidants and such. In fact, I very much enjoy a glass on occasion (the flavour is simply wonderful) I take a puff of weed, and I DO get a buzz (and pain relief which is my desired outcome; the buzz is actually a bit undesirable for me) I don't know if it's as simple as saying that they're as "dangerous" as the other -- I guess they're potentially troublesome, but this comes back to what I said before about it depending on the user (and how they're using it). I tend to be of the opinion that a person intoxicated from alcohol is likely to act in a more dangerous manner than a person intoxicated from marijuana. |
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Arwon Bazu  Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| If you're not capable of drinking without losing control/doing stupid things, you're not drinking right. It's not alcohol's fault, it's a problem with you. | |||
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Silvershield 580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6290 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| It's 6:30 in the morning here, and I haven't gone to sleep yet. Just as I was dozing off, my friend came in from a rough night of partying. I didn't wake up until it was too late: I realized that he thought our room was the bathroom just as I began feeling a bit damp.
My friend peed all over me, my sheets, my bed, and a lot of things on the floor nearby. Maybe he shouldn't drink. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by Silvershield 
Yes, maybe he shouldn't. He clearly is not yet capable of understanding when to stop drinking or moderate himself in any way. 
Incidentally, this is not something that tends to happen with stoners. They just tend to eat everything in sight and leave crumbs and food spillages in the kitchen. Like giant rats. |
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Clockworkz Birdon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| I haven't read this entire thread, and I don't intend to. Sue me.
I believe that if you've never experienced weed firsthand, I don't think you have a right to condemn it right off the bat. Yes; weed can kill. If you smoke your body weight, that is. And by the time you get 1/100th of the way through, you'll just say "fuck it" and fall asleep. There's nothing wrong with marijuana, just so long as you don't become dependent, and/or start doing harder drugs because you can't get high off it anymore. Marijuana is not a "gateway drug" to those of us with half a brain. It's the idiots who think that they're invincible enough to start doing heroin and coke. That's my two cents. *shrugs* |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by Tarale Clearly. He could not possibly be on the verge of passing out. My perfectly normal cousin has done this feat while sleepwalking to my brother at least once. Partiers don't have to moderate themselves. We drink till we puke or pass out, and if you do it right you won't ever puke. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Arwon: well, not everyone has a great tolerance.... and for me, once I start drinking I tend to just keep doing it as long as there is more alcohol around....
it's kinda of a cycle.... I drink a little.... my inhibitions and common sense start going out the window, so I drink a little more, and more goes out the window.... once it starts it's kinda hard to stop unless someone stops it  |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6290 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by ArwonThat's wishful thinking. Maybe you can handle your alcohol just fine but, at the age where binging is most prevalent - in late high school and into college, in my experience - few people are mature enough physically or mentally to know their own limit. Maybe, according to your logic, they each have a bona fide problem. That's perfectly sound logic, I suppose, but would you be so quick to say that an entire age group should abstain from drinking? Because, from what I've seen, it's a majority rather than a small group that does stupid or otherwise regrettable things under the influence. It's not always peeing on someone - it's usually fighting or, more commonly, an undesired sexual encounter - but they've all "lost control" and, by your argument, have no business even consuming such a drug in the first place. To expand on my own philosophy, I've been able to put into words a more thorough logic for my own choices. I pride myself on being my own person. In every way I can imagine, I follow my own logic, my own preference, my own style, my own choices. Even as the vast majority of my friends - literally all except for one or two - began to drink late in high school, and then as they continued to in college (and all my new friends at college did the same), I've remained steadfast and have yet to touch the stuff. With all due modesty, I am a strongly individualistic person, moreso (in my own view) than the people who follow all the latest fashion trends or who go from not drinking at all in high school to going away to college and becoming heavy drinkers. (That happened to at least a few of my friends, drinking little or not at all until they got to college, at which point they fell to the pressure of their peers.) All that said, I value my own individuality and my own personality more than anything. I change for nobody; I live by my own rules and my own morals, regardless of what people do around me. But to become drunk, or even to drink a few beers, changes a person's behavior. Sure, most would say it just "lowers inhibitions," but my inhibitions - high as they may be - are a definite part of my personality. To lower my inhibitions is to change my personality, plain and simple. We've all seen examples of friends who, after throwing back a few shots, become totally transformed and, even if my own change were not to be nearly as drastic, it would still constitute a sacrifice of that which I value so much. If you got to this point and actually read all of the above, I congratulate you. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| This is getting pretty off topic now, but on regards to underaged binge drinking.... it happens a lot because it's "new" and a "novelty" for a lot of young people.
Kids aren't taught (as kids) to understand alcohol, or to respect it. On the other hand, kids in countries such as Italy grow up with alcohol. They have red wine with dinners; they are taught not to abuse it, and to respect alcohol. And from what I've researched, it seems that a lot of Italian teenagers are appalled at the idea of binge drinking.... they learned to respect alcohol. That said, I'm not sure that not being *taught* to respect alcohol is necessarily an excuse.... I'm with Arwon in that I think if you're not capable of drinking responsibly, that's not the fault of alcohol, that's YOUR fault. Thankfully, most people grow out of their teenaged binge drinking phase. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| Hey, it's not my fault there's a shitty drinking culture there, SS.
If the legal age was lower, like 18, and parents (and police) were more accepting of the realities of youthful drinking, and educated, supplied and looked out for their kids instead of being all DRINKING IS BAD (the first time I ever got hammered was at a mate's place, at a party his parents helped him throw), maybe more people would be capable of being responsible. With more accepting parents actually talking to their kids and generally not making them feel they have to hide from their parents, it'll be easier for people to, er, drink responsibly and get educated. These slightly more capable youth with their better understanding of alcohol could then look out for/educate others, and you'd have a nice flow-on effect, and maybe college kids wouldn't be all about the massive binging. And they'd grow up to be better parents too, more capable of helping their kids. I'm not saying we've got a perfect drinking culture over here, but in my experience it's a damn sight better than that which is prevalent in the US ... and the moralistic viewpoint and high drinking age and lack of parental involvement is the problem. Binging's bad, but it happens, because we're not quite at the southern European level of alcohol-respect... and really the best you can do is try and ensure it's happening in a decent environment. That's how we learn to respect Alcohol, and I think Tarale will agree with me there... we binge and we learn how much it sucks, and we gradually learn our limits. No-one is born knowing how to drink, it's an aquired skill, and its easier to aquire in an environment which isn't puriticannically anti-drinking, this is an environment more or less perfectly designed to set up this false "abstention/binging" dichotomy which I see in so many Americans' views on alcohol. (edited by Arwon on 03-29-06 05:29 PM) |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon Indeed. I binged for a while. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I was taught that "alcohol is bad". But nobody told me WHY it was bad when I was a kid, and frankly it's hard to really take that message seriously when the sources that tell you that alcohol is bad.. well, tend to drink from time to time. The mixed messages don't exactly help. Sometimes I'd get given a glass of champagne at special occasions as a kid, but at the same time I'd be told it was "naughty". 
Is it really any wonder I went through a silly phase in my late teens thanks to these mixed messages and lack of alcohol knowledge or experience? But guys, this is really really off topic. I would recommend it gets moved to another thread in here. This topic is about weed, remember.... |
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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Discussion of alcohol on this thread is fine, as long as it's still tied back into smoking marijuana. If the discussion diverges too much, however, such as discussing the legal age of drinking without tying it back into smoking marijuana, then I ask that somebody create a new thread to discuss just that. This has been a good thread, so I don't want to have to close it. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| Can't you split the thread? | |||
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6278 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| No, that's not a function in Acmlmboards, Arwon... | |||
Skydude Armos Knight  Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6551 days Last view: 6551 days |
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| I think one of the issues at hand here is the discussion of what kinds of dangers alcohol and pot represent. The main figures brought up are violence and direct physical danger, which pot has less of. The dangers of pot are more psychological and behavioral, in losing motivation and the like. Again, I'm not going to try to argue anything big here, just trying to bring in a point of discussion that's been ignored. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Pot is damaging to the human body, I don't doubt that at all. But since it's such an effective painkiller and mindsetter, I'm surprised it isn't encouraged by Psychologists and Doctors more often.
Feeling down? Smoke a bowl! Got MS? Smoke a bowl! Headache? Smoke a bowl! Dislocated arm? Smoke a bowl! I think you get the point there, though...And I think the issue with saying those things (For psychological reasons, at least) is that you NEED the drugs to get over it. God forbid you might live in a broken home on welfare with a crackwhore mother who bitches 24/7 about every single thing and have bitchy, bratty siblings, not to mention teasing at school as a youngling. And the sad thing is that I bet there's more than one person in this world like that. So why not? Is it not respectable? Getting stoned just to get stupid is the same as drinking just to get drunk. ...Sorry, tried to be as unbiased as I could there... |
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom  Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| In the past, my main concerns were stress and symptom relief (I have Tourette's Syndrome), and to this day, it's been the best medicine I've ever had.
Marijuana does not and has not ever controlled my life, however. So long as you keep the mindset of it being a medicine, it's pretty much impossible to get addicted in any way (at least it isn't for me). Rom Maniac, you have a well-functioning brain 
EDIT: Oh yeah, I also believe that marijuana (or any drug/alcohol for that matter) should not be used as an excuse for anything. That just makes you look like a fiend (and nobody likes fiends). EDIT2: I totally forgot the word "not". Boy would I have looked like an idiot (edited by Vyper on 03-31-06 01:53 AM) (edited by Vyper on 03-31-06 01:55 AM) |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| On a legal plane, marijuana will be smoked FOREVER, as we know it, so really, making it illegal is just dumb. |
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