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Skydude Armos Knight                     Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6562 days Last view: 6562 days |
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Originally posted by mattp They've found plenty of other things in the constitution that aren't actually there, I doubt they'd have trouble with that one if they really wanted to... |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6303 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| I'm not overly concerned with decriminalizing marijuana, or making it legal...
I do however want similar restrictions that alcohol has placed on it. Limited places of sail, and illegal to be under influence of in public places or while driving. If people wanna get high/drunk in the safety and privacy of their own homes that's fine, just keep it there. |
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom  Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6306 days Last view: 6306 days |
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Originally posted by geeogreeThis, my fellow boardmates, is a smart person. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6303 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| heh, you may not get too many other people agreeing with you....
but that is the opinion I have come to. Society is fighting a drug that does less harm than smoking or drinking do. Why not at least stop punishing people for trying to enjoy their lives a little. It costs too much to fight when the results of the fight are as bad as they are. Why not fight the drugs that actually casue serious brain damage and addiction? Or, why not try improving the situations that people are in so that they don't feel the need to rely on a drug in order to feel happy for a while. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6290 days Last view: 6289 days |
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| Fuck it, arguing marijuana's easy and passe.
Let's do the "decriminalise heroin" debate. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6288 days Last view: 6288 days |
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Originally posted by Zer0wned Looking at a lightbulb for extended periods of time is damaging to your eyes. Hence, this is why most people who spend alot of time on a computer or play alot of video games wear glasses (Aside from genetic reasons). And just for the record, I'm pretty sure Alcohol ruins more lives than weed does. It's just a guess, but what makes a person more violent, whiskey or weed? |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6289 days Last view: 6288 days |
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Actually, geeo, you pretty much said what I was trying to... Haven't we only agreed on one other thing in the past?  |
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Sin Dogan   860  Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6293 days Last view: 6292 days |
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| I frankly don't care much about the subject. And just like alcohol, I don't believe in the usage of mind altering substances for most situations. Medicinal reasons are certainly excusable. However, all things aside, it's not my choice about what people choose to do. If marijuana's gonna be illegal, then there's no reason alcohol shouldn't be. We all know people smoke marijuana even though it's illegal. Might as well make it legal and then some corporations can make some profit. Or tax some brohams. Dunno. There are more important issues. (edited by Captain Subtext on 03-27-06 01:14 AM) |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6303 days Last view: 6288 days |
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Chev: I think so... but it must mean that the idea is pretty good if we've both agreed on it  |
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Zer0wned Koopa Since: 12-09-05 From: Torrance, ca Last post: 6446 days Last view: 6446 days |
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| Lemme see here...
Poory mapped out flow of thought Outdated or just plain innaccurate source(s) Poor examples Not having all the facts straight I guess 5 months of a combination of incomplete boot camp, homelessness, several borderline anxiety attacks along with the related discovery of a social phobia, and having rage get the bast of you for 35% of that time will do that to you  .
I came back to acmlm's to get some mental stimulation again, because I'd been fairly shut off for a long time, but I guess I'm still a little too fucked over as far as patience and concentration goes to be holding my own here as I at least was able to sometimes before. Especially when almost everyone is opposed to my view, and quite strongly. So in light of my unbiased (about as unbiased as I can get it, doing it myself), review of myself, I'm gonna stand down, hopefully a civil and somewhat respectable move. Not trying to look better than anyone, just trying to hold on to whatever shred of a percentage of respect that may or may not exist for me here, so when I come back, I'm not just the guy that made a complete ass of himself and bailed out. I'm the guy that made a complete ass of himself, apologized, then left to do some self-improvement. I don't think the "missed the government's problem-causing cash crop train" and "why add another issue to the list, even if it is less bad than alcohol or tobacco?" parts have even been aknowledged, let alone "had the lids blown off"of them. And is it just me, or are a lot of people making marijuanna out to be the only or form of available recreation to a lot of people? Seriously, is everyone getting so bad now that they're too lazy to go have some other kind of fun (most definitely a non-issue for the legality thing, just saying)? Sorry, had to get that last bit outta my system, but seriously, I'm done for a while |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6562 days Last view: 6562 days |
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| Well, that last issue of alternate forms of recreation also brings up an altogether more important issue that was brought up in the thread, and that is a means of relaxation. What I've noticed with a number of my friends who smoke up is that they use getting high as a coping mechanism of sorts. That's fine every now and then, but it really seems like that is becoming the only thing they're able to do, rather than deal with problems in other ways, even more so the more they get used to it.
And from a psychological perspective, that would make sense. You have a problem, you deal with it in one way and it feels better, you're likely to deal with it again that same way in the future. It's very self-reinforcing that way, and so even if not physically addictive, it's very psychologically addictive, and that's something that should not be downplayed. I'm not going to try to come into full discussion in this thread again, as the tone borders on hostile at times, but I think this is an important point to bring up. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6290 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| That is a good point, but people use food, games, and friends as the same crutch. I've known I've played games when I was pissed before. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6288 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| I perosnally listen to music when I'm depressed, pot doesn't really help or hinder my mood setting. It just numbs it away for a bit, unlike alcohol which makes me feel so happy and carefree and ignorant...It's a great feeling, but I don't drink when I'm depressed, I've seen what kind of bullshit people are capable of when they're drunk and depressed.
But I do agree with the fact that alot of people who smoke pot use it as an escape from reality. I don't see how it blocks it out, but thats just for them, I guess... |
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mattp Red Paratroopa Since: 03-04-06 Last post: 6553 days Last view: 6553 days |
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| None of that has anything to do with whether or not it should be illegal
Either way the crux of your argument was that marijuana had been illegal for so long that, unlike alcohol and tobacco, which were part of our culture, it should be illegal. That was false. Ergo your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on. The rest of the points you made would be used in a debate on whether or not someone should partake in marijuana, NOT in the legality of it. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6303 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| "I am the Architect. Ergo, and such stuff"
hehehe anyways. I don't do drugs nor do I plan on doing any even if they are legalized. I do see the benefit of legalizing marijuana over other harder drugs. And if being bad for you were linked to illegality then a lot more things would be illegal that I see people do all the time. Smoking would be illegal for sure. Just cause it's dumb to do, or bad for you doesn't mean it should be illegal. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6288 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| In regards to using it for relaxation, I know somebody who does it just for that purpose.
He runs his own business, and so his thoughts are almost always on work. With the exception of when he's smoked some pot, in which case his thoughts are given a chance to wander to things such as TV, cars, computer games, etc. For some reason (stress, I'd guess) he's currently incapable of really relaxing. The pot helps him with that a bit. And back to MY usage (medicinal/pain relief) some of you might be relieved to know I'm not doing that often at the moment. The pain's come good for a bit (ie, there isn't so much of it, and what there is is tolerable). But you know something -- even when I'm a little sore, I often still don't take it -- the biggest comfort of all is knowing that it's there anyways, just in case |
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Snow Tomato Snap Dragon  Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Having been involved in the drug distribution culture before, sometimes those guys are just retailers, the "manufacturers" are the ones raking in the big cash, and being accused of funding terrorism to some degree of accuracy.
Okay no. It's our government's fault that it's being used to fund terrorism. Because we let other countries sell it to dealers here... because we don't allow our government to make money off of it. the SMART thing to do would be to legalize it... garunteeing that the money goes to our government and not terrorist organizations. |
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Xeon The master of the universe... Since: 03-09-06 From: Omaha, NE Last post: 6596 days Last view: 6596 days |
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| Great! I made a hot topic! heh, no not the goth clothing store. Anyway, word up to all the cannabis supporters out there. | |||
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6306 days Last view: 6306 days |
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Originally posted by Snow TomatoDING DONG! Hit it on the bell, there, Raina. If the government started taxing it they'd become wealthier than anything/one on earth. In my case with marijuana, I'm pleading medical. Tourettes syndrome is a bitch. |
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Silvershield 580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| I'm not going to contribute to the discussion of whether the drug should be legal or not because, even as a non-user myself, I'm forced to admit that there are some good arguments in favor of it. On the topic of the personal choice to smoke it or not, though, I have my reasons for abstaining.
I avoid marijuana for the same reason I avoid alcohol, even though both are incredibly prevalent and incredibly accessible at college. (Just as a case in point, I have literally no close friends at school who do not drink and smoke, and both substances are so easy to get because (a) my best friend here has just gotten into dealing pot and (b) my roommate is brewing his own beer in the room. Which is hilarious, but admittedly ludicrous.) At first, my motives were purely religious - as a practicing Catholic, I thought it below my standards to use either substance, without any other reasoning. I feel like I've matured as a person though, especially since I am exposed to drugs on a daily basis here at school, and I've needed to form a more sound rationale. What I've come to is simply this: I don't need to put anything into my body which causes an altered state of mind. I value my free will, my free choice, and my unarguable responsibility for every action I take, and to use alcohol or any other drug would reduce my ability to maintain control over my behavior and claim full accountability. I certainly face a barrage of "you still know what you're doing when you're drunk, and you're still responsible for your actions!" - that's been said a thousand times in response to my reasoning - but I'm quick to cite innumerable cases of a person doing something undesirable when he's drunk that he either would not do sober or, often, that he does not even recall doing at a later point. I don't want to live my life under the influence of something that makes me something other than what I truly am, or that makes me behave differently than I truly, rationally behave. A year ago I would have vehemently attacked those who smoke (or even those who drink), but I'm over it now. If you want to smoke, go ahead. If you can convince the government to make it legal, more power to you. I don't respect you any less for what you decide to do to your body and your mind. But I do have more respect for someone who, given the option, decides to abstain from marijuana. |
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