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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE                     Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Skreename But that's your opinion. Why should the law force that point of view on others? There are those who think drinking is the evilest vice since blasphemy, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal. |
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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by NSNickOriginally posted by Skreename You're so right, so so right. There are a lot of busybodies who think that they're right and everybody else should be forced to conform to their ways. |
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Rydain Sir Kibble Blaze Phoenix Runs with the Dragon Within  Since: 11-18-05 From: State College, PA Last post: 6282 days Last view: 6278 days |
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Originally posted by Skydude From the article: (emphasis mine)
I would like to see evidence of the reliability of that standard test they used. You can't measure change in cognitive abilities without a measurement of where they were to begin with. The small sample size - 20 long-term users, 20 short-term users, and 24 sporadic and non-users - does not give me much confidence in the veracity of the study's conclusions, either. |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by NSNickOriginally posted by Skreename Perhaps you read me a bit differently than I thought. "I'm rather torn" to me means that I have no real good view on which answer is right; in fact, that was just thrown in so I sounded like I wasn't just making a response that was completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. It could also mean something along the lines of "barring further evidence, all I have is a general feeling, and that's not enough to make a decision off of." ...Off-topic, sorry. EDIT: Health doesn't have much to do with legality, anyway. Smoking's still legal, even with so many similar problems; alcohol as well, even with the liver damage. I still won't say whether or not it should be legalized, because I have no strong opinion one way or the other. (edited by Skreename on 03-18-06 08:20 PM) |
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Mike O'Shay Red Koopa  Since: 03-16-06 From: Mushroom Kingdom? Last post: 6476 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| I'm ENTIRELY on your side, Skydude. It should be as illegal as possible. Someone in their teens is smoking a joint? They should get charges pressed all 'round! The only drugs I have ever taken or WILL ever take are: Pain/Cold/Stuffy-nose pills, prescribed medicines (for rashes, etc.), flu shots, shots my school makes all grade nines take, etc., caffiene (usually in beverages I'm mainly drinking for the taste, I actually prefer decaffinated drinks, only with caffiene when I'm very, VERY asleep in the middle of the day and my friend wants me to try something (only ever happened once or twice)), and when I reach legal age, I'll likely have alcohol every once in a while, but even that in moderation.
IF it is ever made legal, then it should have even stricter laws than smoking and alcohol combined. You'd only be able to buy it at certain stores, smoke it a certain times of the day, only be able to do it inside a private residence (and if you're doing it anywhere aside from your own home, you need that person's permission), and need a minimum age the same as that of smoking, if not higher. I could keep rambling on, but it's just past midnight and my parents'll probably get pissed since I'm still on my computer. |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6278 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by MikeOShay You know something? When I first read this post (which I snipped to shrink this large-enough post), I thought perhaps it was intended as a parody of some rather common opinions, considering how exaggerated it seems. The more I think about it, the more I think it's a parody of an actual debate (but in a different sense of the word parody). But, you're 14, most of us (myself probably included) were pretty irrational at that age. And I'm not calling you irrational because you disagree with my view, I'm calling you irrational because you're not only not providing any reasoning for it, you also seem to be rather zealous about adding unneeded restrictions (certain times of the day? wtf?) At least Sky's being reasonable about this. If you couldn't already guess where I stood, I agree with Ziff/Plus SIgn entirely. Legalize it, slap some warnings on it like is done on cigarettes, regulate it, and tax it to make some money off it. It'd free up some room in prisons for criminals that are hurting other people instead of just themselves (I won't say 50% like someone else did, but it would free up some space for the people that are actually dangeous to others). It'd be taxed, so instead of having to spend money catching the people that sell it, they'd be getting money from the people that buy it. It'd be regulated, so the more dangerous drugs couldn't be slipped in, and there'd of course be a minimum age (I'm thinking alchohol's minimum age) so minors having it would still be illegal. It'd be legal, meaning that illegal drug dealers wouldn't have as much of a chance to profit off it. And much like there's laws against being drunk in public (at least, last I heard), I'd not have any objections to similar laws against being publicly high as long as they weren't needlessly strict. Now, would I smoke it if it was legal? Fuck no. My memory's bad enough as it is, and I know the smoke would do something to my (already not-good) lungs. But I don't see any reason for it to be illegal. (edited by Cheveyo Chowilawu on 03-19-06 04:07 AM) |
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max Blipper  i'm a pixie !!! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6538 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by Ailure I think it's more about who you know. And I don't see any reason why marijuana should be illegal and tobacco and alcohol not. I don't think the goverment should regulate what adults can drink/eat/smoke/watch/listen to/read/whatever. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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Originally posted by Skydude Point taken, but I don't think the culture between, say, Australia and the US and Canada is different enough that they can't be used as reference points. As opposed to guns where the regulations are verifiably different, there's many classes of weapon and shooter treated in many different ways, and the gun debate is or should be far far far more complicated and nuanced than just GUNS FOR ALL or BAN ALL GUNS. Yes. Specifically talking about Marijuana, it's not a culture issue, it's a law enforcement issue... and with reference to Ziff's comments on Canada, and the situation in the parts of Australia that resemble Canada (versus the rest of Australia, with varyingly more zero-tolerant approaches): Essentially the entire difference between these broadly similar Anglo-dominated colonial settlement societies is the range official attitudes of law enforcement and the justice system. And less criminalisation is better. You don't need to legalise it fully, and indeed we don't "sell it in stores" here either (the "legalise all drugs, they are less harmful if they're legal and regulated, even or even especially heroin" argument is a WHOLE other deal and basically a pet axe I like to grind) even in South Australia and the Australian Capital Territory. You don't need to fully legalise it, just tolerate it, and recognise that pressing charges for having a joint or a few plants is totally completely pointless and even counterproductive. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Smoking pot is different for different people. Some people smoke it to have a good time, like drinking beer. Some use it as an escape from reality, like kids with broken homes or punks who want to prove that tey don't care about authority. Some people use it to block out a physical pain, like a broken arm or cancer.
Speaking of cancer, pot is ALOT healthier from a vaporizer. All you get is pure THC. No tar, no nothing. Just smoke (Hence, it's not completely healthy, but your lungs will thank you). |
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Snow Tomato Snap Dragon  Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6283 days |
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| Alcohol:
1. If you drink too much you can die. 2. Causes you to black out and not remember any of your actions.. 3. Causes you to throw up. 4. Is linked to several types of cancers. 5. Makes many people who aren't normally violent, very violent. Marijuana 1. If you smoke too much... you will not, under and circumstances die. It's something like.. you'd have to smoke twice your body weight in under five minutes. 2. You can remember what you were doing while high. You are coherant.. just slower than usual. 3. Will never cause you to throw up. Only if you've smoked and drank. Bad combo sometimes. 4. It's true.. it's linked to lunch cancer, throat cancer.. and other cancers. 5. Makes people who are normally violent... very very peaceful. I've seen it happen. So... my assessment? Alcohol < Marijuana. I do believe that our government is doing us an INJUSTICE by not legalizing marijuana. Millions and millions of people in America smoke weed, and that's never going to change. By making it illegal, they're ensuring that other harmful substances such as cocaine or even hallucinagins get into the marijuana. The government is also to blame for terrorists groups making money off of marijuana... because if it were LEGAL the U.S. government would be profitting.. not groups that want to harm us. So yes. It makes perfectly logical sense that it should be legal. Alcohol is more harmful... you know how many people die from alcohol poisoning every single day? Have you ever, in your whole life heard... "Oh god... Jimmy died.. he went to college and smoked too much weed...". No, you haven't. Moderation for both is the key. If you eat too many cookies you'll get fat. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Well, on top of legalization there is an alternative. It's called decriminalization. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| It's already decriminalized here. You can have under 30 grams, but if it's all in dime bags then they'll probably bust you for trafficking. Anything under 30 will be confiscated and you might be given a fine, depending on how much you're caught with.
I personally prefer Salvia, largely because of it's after effect: Mass euphoria. That and it's a natural alternative to Acid, and probably much healthier, so long as you don't use a vaporizer. |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| In any prison in the US of a decent calibur (not counting minimum or low security here), a man will get raped rather he is effeminate or not, particularly if he is 1) young 2) a loner 3) basically nonviolent (not willing to make a shank and stab someone, or club someone over the head with a padlock). These places are monster-making factories. The very fact that a young man can be forced to submit to homosexual rape, be forced to pair up with a gang, or be forced to stab someone because he had some marijuana is fucking tragic. About the only equally sad reason to get sent to one of those places is when a young man gets send there over consentual sex with his girlfriend who is just barely under age. I know a guy doing 16 years for being 18 and signing his son's birth certificate when the mother was his 16 year old girlfriend. He just wanted to be a father and start a family. Now he wont get out of prison till he's in his 30's and then he'll have to be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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I can agree that sometimes the law can be a real pain in the neck, Jomb...5 points if you can remember where we discussed this topic last...
Originally posted by Skydude I myself hate prescription drugs, simply because of the fact that they don't heal your problem. They interfere with your body's natural functions so that whatever you're inflicted with will eventually die out. That doesn't cover ointments and some prescription drugs, though. Only most of the drugs they make you pay for. Things like Tylenol and Caffeine actually help people overcome their ailments, whereas things like Benadryl will never cure your cough, only produce a thin layer of film on your lungs to keep them from going overboard, and produce a lazy effect to stop the body from getting rid of that too. |
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Crayola Double stone axe  Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6345 days Last view: 6308 days |
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| two words legalize it!!
If you dont smoke it wont harm you so why dont smokers and non smokers work together (of couse allowing the same restrictions as tobacco and alcohol to insure the livelihood of non-smokers )to legalize weed. Personally I used to smoke but quit ,due to academic responsibilities. Anyone else agree? |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Non Smokers just see it as "Just another useless drug". Lest we forget that alcohol is a "Controllable Substance" and apparently that makes all the difference in the world to the legal system. Unfortunate yes, but I can bet it might change eventually. | |||
Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by SkydudeBesides, compared with the US the number of gun-related crimes are very very low here. I hardly hear about them infact. If you have a gun, it's most likely a hunting rifle or a "airsoft" gun, which are very restricted too. Meh, i'm leaning towards keeping it illegal where I live but keep in mind that I rarely hear people talk about marijuana nowdays. Though the, alcohol is very well-likened around here so most people just might not bother. 
I'm kind of watching this from a curious but conserative neutral side. I yet have to meet someone who have tested marijuana, and the few cases I hear about some drug case it's some scary heavy drug, which Marijuana apparently isn't. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| I smoke it fairly often, at least when I get the chance. I won't go out of my way to get some, but I know people who just love the buzz and smoke it every day, kinda like an addict but won't flip out if they don't get any that day.
The buzz pretty much makes everything feel slower. During your first times smoking, your sensory perception like touch, smell, taste and sight are altered, some more than others or some not altered at all. Colored and flashing lights catch your attention much more so than when sober, and your appetite for something tasty will increase. An itch might feel different and feel better when you scratch it, and I've found that your smell receptors are pretty much wiped clean. If you're not trying to smell something, you won't smell it (Especially the natural pot stink, you almost will never smell that for a while). Some of these altered perceptions do not change with time, but for some people you begin to lose your interest with trippy lights or munching out and just chill around. Hell, with some people it makes them want to go adventure somewhere. Also, I've found your physical stamina is increased, like your walking ability. I can walk for hours in the cold when I'm stoned, and won't complain about it. I'll be thinking how shitty it is walking in that cold, but I won't say anything, just keep walking. I guess it kinda makes you more focused on one thing. It can also affect your artistic ability. Your imagination is at it's peak when you're buzzin, so if you like to draw then you'll probably be able to whip up something pretty creative while high. |
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Deleted User Banned    Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6278 days |
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Here's my opinion on it, ready? Anything that messes up your body severely, or turns people's mindset upside down and ruins their life should be illegal, and it's sad that there is a lot of crazy stuff even now that is legal. People getting so attached that they sell anything to get their hands on it is wrong, How about if they had a child? That child is going to grow up around that crap, straight up. It's illegal for a reason, and it's sad how much legal stuff is out there now. That's my view on marijuana.  |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| You mean alcohol and tobacco which is legal?
Prohibition was inherently failed, and gang land murders were the result. As for the "it screws kids up" comment. That's not exactly true, one of my profs grew up around hippy parents. So did most of my own, personal friends. They all are stable and contributory citizens. |
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