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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES                  Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Marijuana causes a large amount of people in jail.
Marijuana while illegal is providing crime with an excellent money grab. Marijuana when legalized can be a cash cow for the government. Marijuana can be regulated to ensure that it doesn't become tabacco 2.0. (PS - alcohol regulation in Ontario brings in billions of dollars of revenue, which is sweet). Marijuana is a medicinal herb when used in the medical fields. It is also overall better than alcohol. I've never seen a pot-fight...but I've seen many a bar-room-brawl. I've yet to see conclusive evidence as to why marijuana should remain illegal. None at all beyond shoddy scientific research and 1920s morality crap. Amanda: no insults. "I think you should look into that since it's pretty obvious your brain is FIFTY PERCENT gone. XD" That don't fly here. |
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Jomb Deddorokku    Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| I myself have never used Marijuana, but i know a few people who use it. The main damage Marijuana causes is lung damage and that is because of the smoke. If you used it in a different way you could get around that (such as baking it into food or vaporizing it). The marijuana smoke smells nice, more like incense than nasty tobacco smoke. Marijuana is not physically addictive the way nicotine is, and causes less damage to the user. Alchohol is many times over more dangerous than marijuana. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to keep this illegal. The only people benefitting from it being illegal are the Justice system (more cases = more bucks for them), and the DOC (more prisoners = more funding for them).
As someone who's been there i can say for a fact that there are tons and tons of people sitting in prison over something as dumb as marijuana. I know one poor guy who got 16 years because he got caught with some marijuana at his school when he was 17. He was not a trouble-maker either, he was an otherwise good kid. What the system did to him is in my opinion one of the sickest miscarriages of justice i've ever seen. People are going to use marijuana, and have for thousands of years, society as whole would be better off with it legalized. It could be taxed much like cigarrettes, while it would still be cheaper than buying it illegally, plus safer. While it would not completely get rid of the drug trafficking problem it would take a big chunk out of it. The only reason Marijuana is a "gateway" drug, is because it's illegal, so when people try it out and find its not that bad, then they may think "damn i'm already committing a crime, i got nothing to lose now", or "If the government lied to me about this one, maybe they lied about the other ones to". |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Marijuana is a very funny drug.
The tar that comes from a joint, or blunt, is actually weaker than that of a ciggerette. It's still tar, yeah, but it doesn't do the same thing and isn't as dangerous. |
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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Plus Sign Abomination,
This played a big roll in outlawing marijuana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness Anyway, I just think it's horrible to send someone to jail, or commit any sort of force upon them, just for having the stuff or trading it. I imagine there have been effeminate males who have smoked marijuana, and gone to jail only for that, and were subsequently raped for being effeminate. I just don't see why someone should be subjected to those conditions for that. I remember hearing a case in which lawyer was saying it would be cruel and unusual punishment to send an effeminate man to jail, because he would probably get raped. I don't remember what happened in the case. Anyway. Skydude, Check this out:
... and this ...
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/p04.txt |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6278 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by Xeon A whole bag of cheetahs? That's when you're high. Anyway, I see no reason why pot should be illegal. Yes its bad for you, but so are alot of things, but unlike tobacco, there's little to no physical addiction, and unlike alcohol it doesn't make people violent. Yet those things are legal. |
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Skydude Armos Knight  Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6551 days Last view: 6551 days |
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| Well, first of all, it may not be as healthy as you're so convinced it is. Furthermore, your argument that no scientific study has found decreased mental capabilities from smoking pot, which is something of a talking point put forth by every pothead without actually looking into it, is also a bit iffy.
As for marijuana's effects as a gateway drug, it really is more than just coincidental, and I can verify this with some of the experiences of several of my friends. I can think of four people in my life offhand who, once they had just started smoking pot, assured me that this was it, they would never do acid or anything else. After a year or two of smoking pot, all of them have started to do acid or shrooms just as casually. The other issue involved is that the effects, while somewhat uncertain, are indeed different. I'm not sure about tobacco, but alcohol will be completely flushed out of your system at approximately the rate of a drink an hour (though it takes longer if you drink a lot in a short span of time). You can detect pot in someone's system for up to 30 days after the last time they ingested any. Whether it has noticeable effects may be the result of a dosage effect, but at the very least, it IS still there that much later. Not to mention that it really does decrease ambition, not just in the short term but in the long term as well. People claim it's not physically addictive, but even if that is true, it is extremely psychologically addictive. And as a borderline video game addict at times myself, I can tell you personally how damaging that has the potential to be. |
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE  Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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I remember reading an interesting article about how marijuana was banned in some states due in part to its ties to the Mexican community at the time. Unfortunately, I don't have the link. 
Anyways, I don't see health as a good enough reason for marijuana being illegal. Just slap warnings on the packaging like cigarettes. People can make their own choices. The only downside to legalization I can see is perhaps a rise in driving under the influence of marijuana, and the difficulties of standardized marijuana sobriety testing for police. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| I've always been baffled that people can argue against decriminalisation because of all these negative effects decriminalisation will have... without reference to the places where it already is decriminalised and it isn't a big deal.
How do people deal with the existance of, say, Canada or South Australia or the Netherlands when they're arguing all the bad things that decriminalising pot will do? The examples are THERE. It's NOT a hypothetical. Fuckin' legalise it, sell it in stores, punishing people for smoking pot is absolutely pointless. Also: Arguing that something is bad for you is NOT an automatic argument for keeping it illegal. (edited by Arwon on 03-18-06 08:20 AM) |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6551 days Last view: 6551 days |
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| Well, one of the issues with comparing it to other countries is to assume that it would have the same effect. America is a different culture, and different societal attitudes and norms can have rather large effects.
If you want proof, let's just look for a moment at firearms. It's easier to get a gun in a lot of other countries than in the US, but they tend to have a lot fewer problems with them. I think the effects would be quite different in the US than in these other countries if pot were made legal, which is why I'm a bit doubtful of using those examples. Things like this don't have the same effect in every country. |
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Wait, where is it easier to get a gun than the US, besides perhaps Switzerland? | |||
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6551 days Last view: 6551 days |
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| I think Canada has similar, if not looser, restrictions than the US. I'm not sure on the whole; I did a report on gun control laws back in high school, but a) I don't remember much of it now and b) things may have changed sinc then. (edited by Skydude on 03-18-06 09:22 AM) |
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Xeon The master of the universe... Since: 03-09-06 From: Omaha, NE Last post: 6585 days Last view: 6585 days |
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| Well if you havn't tried pot by now, you should, it's a very wonderful thing and everyone should experiance a nice relaxing high atleast once or twice in there lifetime. | |||
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6551 days Last view: 6551 days |
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| I generally prefer to get my 'high' through social situations, occasionally with a bit of alcohol. Beyond that, I use any sort of drugs about as infrequently as is possible, taking tylenol for a really bad headache and caffeine only if I really need it. I prefer to live my life with my brain running relatively naturally. | |||
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Xeon The master of the universe... Since: 03-09-06 From: Omaha, NE Last post: 6585 days Last view: 6585 days |
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| What's more natural then a plant that grows in the ground? And why do we have Cannabinoid receptors on our brains if we weren’t meant to get high? We wouldnt smoke pot if it didnt have any affect on us. | |||
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6551 days Last view: 6551 days |
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| I actually explained the receptors in my first post in the thread. Go read that.
As for natural, I'm not talking about natural in the hippy sense that it's actually used. I feel the same way about herbs and medications in that regard, as even pills are basically just controlled doses of the same chemicals you'll find in herbs. I'm talking about not altering my brain chemistry, leaving it as it should be, a goal which smoking pot goes against. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| It's hard to get a gun up here. Depends on the province, really. Also where you live in the province.
Canada's pot laws are almost as regressive and neandrethalic as American laws, however our police have come to the understanding that if people are smoking pot in the park when they're 19 year olds giggling like idiots it is easier to just take the joint and tell them they shouldn't do that than dragging them back to the station and trying to press charges. edited out weird feed back crap. (edited by Plus Sign Abomination on 03-18-06 01:12 PM) |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6551 days Last view: 6551 days |
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| I do agree that there's a bit too much policing of the wrong things, as the dealers themselves should be targeted rather than the kids smoking...though if the same idiots are caught smoking up and doing stupid stuff time and again after warnings, then I think it would make some sense to bring them in. But some leeway is in order. | |||
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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by Skydude Uh no, don't even think about it. You have no clue what you're talking about with guns. Most countries outright ban private ownership of guns, while other countries put very tight restrictions on who can own them (such as only for hunting, etc.). The U.S., Switzerland, Canada (but not Australia!), are just some of the few that don't put such tight restrictions. I think just about all of the European Union and I know Japan and China have very tight restrictions on gun ownership. If I recall, when Britain banned guns about 10 or so years ago, they're violent crime rates soared. Arwon,
Not only pointless, but also cruel because it has no point. Read my previous posts, subjecting people to a rough prison environment (where they could get raped even) because of smoking pot is totally senseless and barbaric. |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by Xeon How about not lighting it on fire and then inhaling it? Originally posted by beneficii I don't think the whole "effeminate guys who smoke pot could get raped in prison" thing is a particularly valid complaint. Effeminate guys who steal could have the same happen. Or the ones who do any of a variety of other crimes. As for legalizing it... I'm rather torn. I know that if it was legal (and regulated) a lot of heavier drugs wouldn't be in the stuff, but... I don't know. I don't particularly like the use of drugs to relax, and that seems to be the main use for the stuff. |
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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Skreename,
You're right they could. The only thing is is that there are those who are committing offenses against other people: stealing from them, harming them, murdering them, etc., and then there are people who decided to buy some pot and smoke it. I think it is cruel and senseless and barbaric to subject someone to someone to such conditions because they decided to smoke some pot. |
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