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Posted on 03-19-06 07:45 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cymoro
See, I love it when those that say being a jackass (and being condescending thereof) is wrong, yet they are themselves condescending to the very people they criticize. Good job there.


You may also notice I didn't mention any names. Maybe they know who they are, maybe they don't. If I wanted to attack anyone in particualar I would have, but I'm making general statements here. That's the difference between a flamewar and a debate, you attack the opinion, not the person who has it.

Originally posted by Cymoro
You also seem to forget that this is, once again, lol internet. One person being condescending to another (or vice versa) doesn't really matter here. It's not like I said my previous statement to you to your face, then proceeded to kick you in the balls 'til you fell to the ground, then stomped your face in. The internet is a system of anonimity where, to have your place in it, you need to assert yourself and, to be better, you need to be asserted. Sort of like, what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, except in this case, whatever doesn't make you scream at your computer monitor and cry while cutting your wrist to Linkin Park, makes you less of a dramatic person.


Of course it doesn't really matter that much, but for that matter neither does people acting like idiots. Its very easy to ignore, I do it all the time. But people sure make a big deal out of that.
As far as anonymity goes, I guess that goes back to the comic farther up in this thread. I totally agree with that comic, I guess I just have different definition of "fuckwad". I don't think most of the people being rude and obnoxious on the internet would act like that to someone's face. Its the combination of anonymity and an audience that turns them into jerks.

Originally posted by Cymoro
I guess this is where I scream the sentence that is true, no matter what way you pronounce it.

INTERNET IS ANARCHAL SYSTEM COCKFAG LOL


Well maybe we should just get rid of the moderators. We can't have anarchy with people who are supposed to be enforcing the rules. But if we are going to have people enforcing the rules, I don't think its that much to ask that they themselves follow them.
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Posted on 03-19-06 07:50 PM Link | Quote
Meh, I have no qualms with my actions frankly. If you were silly enough to not read the FAQ and you posted something which this board is quite obviously opposed to, then I think it's the duty of all members to inform you of that (whether they are nice about it or not).

I could not actually close or delete your thread, as I am a Local Moderator of a select forums (and do not have any power in the forums I am not the local moderator of), but I don't think that mod status should mean that I have rights or do not have rights to point out something that I see is wrong.

I think any user, regardless of position in staff, would have been well within their rights to have pointed out your folly. In my opinion, a person's position on the board is irrelevant.
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Posted on 03-19-06 11:25 PM Link | Quote
I only noticed this thread becuase Cy posted in it.

Instead of building on the discussion as it's proceeded, I'm going to pretend the first post is still a virgin and take it from there.

First off:

Ever since I first came to the Internet, there was this narrow minded view of how people on the Internet should operate. If you don't follow a set of guidelines given to you through the almighty "FAQ", you're toast. Here, there is no mercy. Yet even those in power break the rules.

The phrase "narrow minded" is interesting there. You seem to be implying that setting up rules for a community is an outdated notion? Are there some hot fresh "thinking outside the box" solutions for managing a community? Unfortunately, you don't explain this further; I guess you just wanted to get in a snide dig on the concept of "rules."
You're right, even those in power break the rules. Whatever the definition of 'flaming,' it's been broken by some staff members here. This is a fact. Let's see if it matters.

You might see an issue with this one. But I see this all the time on forums, especially in politically related threads. What separates Bush Bashing from regular old flaming? Is it because he's your leader? Is it because he is not a member of this forum? Does that really justify flaming him? I think it shows a failure to understand exactly what it is you're doing, and in some countries it only provokes the death penalty (God bless Freedom of Speech, eh?)

Another big assumption on my part here: it looks like some people were bashing Bush, you got upset, tried to invoke the "no flaming" rule, and got shut down? This controversy has come up before; it seems generally that what little protection the "no flaming" rule offers only extends to people on the forum. I say "little protection" because that rule is very vague and plenty of flaming goes on unpunished all the time, from staff members and regular members alike. It is true that oldbies get more preferential treatment than newbies. This is partially justifiable and partially not. I'll explain that later; let's continue.

This rule should be enforced a little more. If you truly want people to not act stupid, maybe it should be regulated a little more for those of us who aren't new to the forum or don't have a history of being stupid. If that can't be done, perhaps this should be elated on, rather than telling us what to do and what not to do, or what your definition of spam is. At least new users have an excuse to be stupid, but when people act stupid just to mock them, it shows their mentality. And for mods to be acting this way tells me alot about the capability of their leadership skills.

This paragraph, though it doesn't contain any crippling mechanical errors, is horribly written. Lemme see if I can parse this.
Okay, you think "No being stupid" should be enforced more. That's easy enogh.
Uh... second sentence is confusing. I'm guessing you mean "for the sake of." So, for the benefit of experienced users and folks with clean records, this rule should be enforced more. I think that's what you're saying.
Elated on. .....Okay, "elaborated on" makes sense there. I'll guess that's what you meant. Perhaps this should be elaborated on, rather than telling us what to do and what not to do? I would think telling us what to do and what not to do is a great way to clarify the rules. What are you saying here?
All right, the last two sentences are easy enough to figure out.

Now that I think I know what you're saying, I can try to respond.
You think "no being stupid" should be enforced more, I got that (you said it twice). But then you said the rule should be clarified. Okay, so the rule should be clarified, and then enforced more? And if it should be enforced "for those of us who aren't new to the forum or don't have a history of being stupid," does that mean you think harsher action should be taken against newbies and people who do have a history of being stupid? If so, well, that makes sense, but it's largely the case already. And then, I guess, you say that people who mock stupid people are themselves stupid, and mods have done this, therefore those mods are stupid. I'm not sure I see quite what you're saying here; maybe you could explain it further. Rephrase it. Don't try to write above your level.

Is it really necessary to point this out? A hack is still a hack, and even the smallest achievement should be properly criticized. When you just filter this kind of thing out like trash, it only makes way for more people who have no patience for failure. Is that the kind of community we really desire? Just a bunch of short tempered, short minded reverse engineers?

Well, this rule is unclear. Your writing is unclear. I don't feel like working my way through this and I don't really care about the state of the ROM hacking forums, so I'll skip this one.

I think that above all, there is a lack in understanding of how things are supposed to be run, and the way things are run in real life. Oh, one could argue for hours about how the Internet is not a real place, therefore the laws of reality do not exist, but since we're incorporating our rules of society into online communities, why not go the full distance?

This is fairly straightforward. Thanks for getting your thoughts straight before writing this paragraph.

Wait, I forgot that the internet is ruled by adolescents. There are no adults here, and even if there were, what would they say about our behaviour?

All right, basically you're saying the board's administrators are immature.

This isn't a response to your writing, this is a response to the content of your post, but I can't refrain from pointing out along the way how difficult it is to discern what you're actually trying to say.

Subconsciously, the online community is a getaway from the harsh reality we have to deal with in life. We don't even realize it until it's shoved in our face, like now. So what does this say about the user who comes here on a daily basis? Do they not enjoy the way things are going on the other end? I am not ashamed to say that life is not very enjoyable on my end sometimes, but I'm learning from my mistakes.

I don't know what the fuck point you're trying to get across here. Alls I got out of this paragraph was:
-online community = getaway from life
-sometimes my life is unenjoyable
-I learn from my mistakes

It's obvious you're trying to say other things in this paragraph, but I'm sorry, I can't figure out what they are. I'm not exaggerating here; I couldn't figure out any of the opinions and/or facts that you were trying to present.

The point of that is that I have lots of time to learn from my mistakes, but here we only have 3 strikes until you're gone and out for the count. It's a general principle that people adopt as a successful breeding method, but fails in the end.

What would happen if real life was like that?

Okay, finally we get to what appears to be your main point.
First off, there's no three-strike rule here, really, no matter what anyone says. So, that's irrelevant.
Second, breeding? What? Fails? Where?
Third... okay, this is important.
This is an online community. It is analogous to a real-life community. It is not analogous to a person's life or country. In a real-life community, there are rules for being a member, whether explicitly stated or not. If you disobey the rules enough, you are no longer allowed to be a member of that community. Do you agree that it's a reasonable system, for a community? If not, I guess further discussion is warranted. But that means you have beef with the whole concept of a community, not an Internet message board specifically.

It sounds to me like what you really have beef with is the fact that the rules are vague and enforced inconsistently. If that's true, then just fucking say it, please. If not, say whatever you actually mean. Either way, you didn't say much in this post. I'll assume I'm right, so here's my rebuttal.

The rules are vague. The rules, as written, are amazingly, horribly, incomprehensibly vague. This is true. However, if you spend a small amount of time here, it's very easy to see where the line is and how to avoid crossing it. This is a small community, so the rules can easily be enforced on a case-by-case basis. And they are.

Let's talk about flaming: if you don't want to get in trouble, don't flame. That's easy. So in the case of flaming, if you follow the rules in the FAQ ("no flaming") you won't run into any problems. However, you notice that some people can flame and get away with it. After a while it becomes apparent that the rules, as given, outline a sort of "safe zone" where you can act without worry, but it also becomes apparent that it's possible to thrive outside this safe zone. The area outside the safe zone is not adequately described: you venture there at your own risk. This is where unbanned flamers dwell. They get a gut feeling for what might get them banned, and they disobey the letter of the law without getting banned. Of course, there are no guarentees out there, and you can't blame anyone but yourself for getting banned, because you were disobeying the rules. I'm not describing anything you're unfamiliar with. I'm just pointing out that disobeying the rules is not an automatic ban (despite what anyone may say), but that you do so at your own risk.

Okay, I'm getting bored, so I'm just gonna stop there. Bite me. Maybe I'll come back and finish what I was saying later.

edit: a couple clarifications

(edited by Zem on 03-19-06 10:34 PM)
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Posted on 03-21-06 01:40 AM Link | Quote
Wow, you certainly de-virginized that post. =/

Making a bit of a smaller post then that, one can't really sum up the argument of "These mods suck, flaming and criticism aren't the same thing, what justifies a topic close, blah blah blah". It's just way to complicated to work with like that. It would be going with the presumption that only one person here has the mod/admin power, and that's complete bullshit.

Every forum has its own moderator(s), and each one has their own preference for what goes along with the rules or not. For instance, one might type in something off topic in the anime forum and it will slide by the detectors as OK. But pull the same stunt in RPG discussion and you know it's going to be deleted unless theirs valid on-topicness involved.

You all have been arguing with eachother over these points, and that both raises the validility for this topic and the pointlessness of it at the same time. This shows that yes, there are problems with the way things work on the forums or no, there is nothing wrong. And this also shows the differing views held by the different members of the community, and proves that the summary of how the community acts to the breaking of rules as one message is complete and utter falsehoods.

So you guys can keep saying to eachother that flaming is alright, or it's nothing but negative, or whatever. Hell, this post can probably be seen as off topic in itself. But I see this as a main point in the background of this entire argument that everyone's ignored, and it needed to be brought to attention.

Although with the n00b banning argument, I do feel that an opinion can be brought up from me that sort of relates to my previous typings. Some kids learn to improve over a period of time thanks to criticisms from other posters, but others just completely ignore what they say about grammar. And from what I've seen, the mods have done fine with accepting stupidity up to a certain point before initiating "DA BAN!!!" Did you see Mr. Anderson's posts? I do believe he is a main support for this idea.
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Posted on 03-21-06 01:57 AM Link | Quote
This is really, really boring.

EDIT: Like watching a test pattern at night.

EDIT2: You know, really repetitive and stuff.

EDIT3: Almost like everyone's repeating themselves.

EDIT4: You know? Like somehow this thread is redundant already.

EDIT5: Like I'm hearing the same thing over and over again.

EDIT6: Like someone's saying something more than once, and I'm hearing it more than once.

EDIT7: Or like I'm getting this idea that I feel like I've gotten before.

EDIT8: Kinda like an episode of a bad TV show, you know, that thing that happens when a show remains in syndication but they stop making new episodes of it?

EDIT9: Or like seeing someone use the same moves over and over again in a fighting game.

EDIT10: Or like making the same kind of cookies twice in a row, without remembering that instead of chocolate chips, you could try peanut butter instead.

EDIT11: Maybe it's more like reading the same book over and over again despite the fact that you've got yourself a perfectly good bookshelf right in front of you.

EDIT12: Considering the fact that those books might just suck, I think a better way to express this thread would be to render it akin to never drinking anything other than Mountain Dew: Livewire for soda.

EDIT13: Oh, and Flash Loops are great examples of what's happening in this thread too.

EDIT14: This is like, older than bananaphone.

EDIT15: I hope you guys appreciate this, it all does have a point.

EDIT16: I feel like instead of posting here, I could just play World of Warcraft.

EDIT17: You know, this thread is a lot like World of Warcraft.

EDIT18: Like, in WoW you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and you go out there, and you kill a monster for an item in a quest, and then you complete the quest and you get another quest, and so on and so forth.

EDITITOTALLYJUSTLOSTCOUNTRIGHTNOW: Do you get where I'm going yet? I've wasted at least 20 minutes doing this now.

EDITITOTALLYJUSTLOSTCOUNTRIGHTNOW+1: No? Still don't get it? Here's the thing: Everything in this thread? Been done. Before. And no solutions have been found yet. The purpose of power is power. The purpose of oppression is oppression. You will not singlehandedly revolutionize governmental processes as a single, mostly anonymous poster on a message board dedicated to hacking images of old video games. You will also not change the rules. You will not influence the rules in a major fashion unless you actually provide a well-thought out solution to our problems. We are not an anarchy. We admit to being a dictatorship of sorts. Are you going to kill yourself now? No?

Damn. I was bored, too.

EDITITOTALLYLOSTCOUNTJUSTNOW+2: But wait, there's more! So now you've got your government that's an admitted dictatorship (yes, the admins will indeed exercise their authority over other members. GASP!) and you just don't know what to do about those rules that they seem to think are really important. What're you gonna do? Break 'em?

Go ahead! The worst that can happen is you'll get banned. No, Xkeeper is NOT going to fly to your house and break into your computer room to punch you. No, Kyouji was NOT going to take that knife you saw and stab you with it. No, the big bad Hiryuuman is not going to pop out of your closet and dump a fucking bucket of Grey paint on you. I sure as hell am not going to get off my duff, stop studying for my exams, walk to your house, and kick you in the nuts just because you wanna disobey the rules that the staff has posted. Xkeeper'd rather tinker around with the board than care about you. Kyouji's got better things to do than bitch about you to staff. Hiryuu's got way more of a life to worry about than you. And I would much rather be talking to Dark Vampriel and doing my nightly SF run. PEOPLE WHO BREAK THE RULES DO NOT BREAK OUR BACKS.

The rules are there for people who don't wanna get banned! Pure and simple! Stupid is subjective! Your opinion on it is not as important as the admin'ssesseseeseseeesss! Hell, your opinion on it doesn't matter! I've said that! Are you noticing a redundancy error here? It's cyclic! You can't complain about what the admins think is stupid because they got to be admins by proving that their opinion of stupid really was, in fact, throughout all of that complaining and bitching and moaning and bureocracy and such, RIGHT ALL ALONG!

And the worst part is that NONE OF YOU SEEM TO REALIZE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ARGUING ABOUT!

Guess what? THE RULES ARE TENTATIVE. They're gonna change! So sorry, we forgot that you desperately need guidance on how to act on a public forum, let us just drop everything and stop working on more useful functions like editpoll.php and fun functions like the shop system to ensure that what is explained in plain english is suddenly reverted back to its confusing, unclear format that people STILL HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE ELABORATED!

PICK! Why won't you just pick?

Or better yet, GET THE HELL OFF OF THE INTERNET!

Grey. SRS BSNS.

EDITFUCKALLTHESEHAVETOSTOP: AND JUST FOR GOOD MEASURE!

(edited by Grey on 03-21-06 01:25 AM)
(edited by Grey on 03-21-06 01:34 AM)
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tl;dr

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What makes that post even more awsome is that you edited it only twice. XD
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See, this is past the point where I would've closed it.

It's circle-bitching, ne? Close this fucker down.
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Meh. I'm keeping it open.
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But if you don't close this topic, you show that admins and mods can give a little slack, therefore nullifying half the points made in this argument, and henceforth, effectively disproving the whole need for an argument. But then, closing it after that, people might see it as being closed to early and that you proved their point for the need of an argument about this.

Let it sink in, you'll understand.
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Posted on 03-21-06 11:48 PM Link | Quote
I fully understand it.

However, I'm just going to let this thread sit and ferment and hope that someone on this board manages to shake themselves out of their neandrethalic way and finally contribute something.

You never know.
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Posted on 03-22-06 03:39 AM Link | Quote
I most definitely edited that post 21 times. It seems that the edit display is messing itself up for the time being... I may have overloaded it.

EDIT: And Cy, I DID close it

(edited by Grey on 03-22-06 02:40 AM)
emcee

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Well, I knew it was only a matter of time before this thread would be closed, and probably be only a matter of time before its closed again, but for the time being, I'm glad its back (although it could probably be unstickied now) because I didn't seem to be getting my point acrossed, so I'm thinking maybe I wasn't being clear.

First of all, yes, I know I said basically the same thing in my last two posts, but that is but that's because normally in this type of discussion, I will try to make a point, and someone will make a counter argument, and I will refute that, and etc, etc. You know, a debate. But the thing is, someone actually has to refute the point I made. But this didn't happen, the reply was related to the importance of the discussion itself. I'm fully aware that its not really that important. But if you look through the topics being discussed in this forum most of them are fairly important (Iraq, world hunger, domestic spying, religion and state, etc). But we can argue these topics for the next year and even if a miracle occurs and someone actually convinces another person of something, we'll all still be a bunch of random people on some unknown message board, with no real influence on the issues we're debating, in a debate which outcome (if there ever is one) will make absolutely no difference in the grand scheme of things. So why are we having these debates? Because that's why the forum is here. At least with this particular debate if a miracle does occur and someone's mind is changed it will make a diiference.

So anyway, the condensed version of the above rant (the point, I guess) is that simply saying the issue being debated isn't important, or saying that its not up to the people giving their opinions anyway, isn't a way of winning the debate, mainly because it has nothing to do with the actual debate. If you don't feel a debate is worth having, you should simply not involve yourself in it.

Originally posted by Grey

EDITITOTALLYJUSTLOSTCOUNTRIGHTNOW+1: No? Still don't get it? Here's the thing: Everything in this thread? Been done. Before. And no solutions have been found yet. The purpose of power is power. The purpose of oppression is oppression. You will not singlehandedly revolutionize governmental processes as a single, mostly anonymous poster on a message board dedicated to hacking images of old video games. You will also not change the rules. You will not influence the rules in a major fashion unless you actually provide a well-thought out solution to our problems. We are not an anarchy. We admit to being a dictatorship of sorts. Are you going to kill yourself now? No?

Damn. I was bored, too.

EDITITOTALLYLOSTCOUNTJUSTNOW+2: But wait, there's more! So now you've got your government that's an admitted dictatorship (yes, the admins will indeed exercise their authority over other members. GASP!) and you just don't know what to do about those rules that they seem to think are really important. What're you gonna do? Break 'em?

Go ahead! The worst that can happen is you'll get banned. No, Xkeeper is NOT going to fly to your house and break into your computer room to punch you. No, Kyouji was NOT going to take that knife you saw and stab you with it. No, the big bad Hiryuuman is not going to pop out of your closet and dump a fucking bucket of Grey paint on you. I sure as hell am not going to get off my duff, stop studying for my exams, walk to your house, and kick you in the nuts just because you wanna disobey the rules that the staff has posted. Xkeeper'd rather tinker around with the board than care about you. Kyouji's got better things to do than bitch about you to staff. Hiryuu's got way more of a life to worry about than you. And I would much rather be talking to Dark Vampriel and doing my nightly SF run. PEOPLE WHO BREAK THE RULES DO NOT BREAK OUR BACKS.

The rules are there for people who don't wanna get banned! Pure and simple! Stupid is subjective! Your opinion on it is not as important as the admin'ssesseseeseseeesss! Hell, your opinion on it doesn't matter! I've said that! Are you noticing a redundancy error here? It's cyclic! You can't complain about what the admins think is stupid because they got to be admins by proving that their opinion of stupid really was, in fact, throughout all of that complaining and bitching and moaning and bureocracy and such, RIGHT ALL ALONG!

And the worst part is that NONE OF YOU SEEM TO REALIZE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ARGUING ABOUT!

Guess what? THE RULES ARE TENTATIVE. They're gonna change! So sorry, we forgot that you desperately need guidance on how to act on a public forum, let us just drop everything and stop working on more useful functions like editpoll.php and fun functions like the shop system to ensure that what is explained in plain english is suddenly reverted back to its confusing, unclear format that people STILL HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE ELABORATED!

PICK! Why won't you just pick?

Or better yet, GET THE HELL OFF OF THE INTERNET!

Grey. SRS BSNS.

EDITFUCKALLTHESEHAVETOSTOP: AND JUST FOR GOOD MEASURE!


Yeah, you see, this is basically what I'm talking about. To be honest I'm not exactly sure what Rom Manic was trying to say in much of his first post, but I know exactly what I was trying to say, and I know this quote above has nothing to do with it. I wasn't saying that the issue was incredibly important, I wasn't saying that the there's anything wrong with the rules, or saying that they are too vague. This is what I'm saying:

1) Many of the people here who are supposed to be enforcing the rules (mods and admins) are actually breaking them as much, or even more than anyone else.

2) There is alot more people here (many of them mods) being rude an obnoxious (flaming), than simply being "stupid".

To make this more clear, I would give an example but then I would be making a personal attack rather than a general statement, so instead I'll give a generic example.

Lets say some guy decides to make a layout, and they show it off in the modern art forum, and well, its just not very good. First, let me say that making a bad layout doesn't make you stupid, I've known many intelligent people with no concept of aesthetics, even in situations that would seem like common sense to others.

Anyway, in this situation, there are two possible ways a person could reply. They could point out problem areas and explain the problems and give suggestions on how to make it better, or they could go off in a rant about the person's lack common sense, lack of effort, or general stupidity, and throw in a few annoying cliche phrases such "my eyes!", or "you fail", or maybe even tell the person to kill themself.

The difference between these two approaches is that the first would likely yield a decent layout whereas the most that could come out of the second is a flamewar. Sure maybe humor could come out of the second, but more often then not, it isn't even funny because it just uses a bunch of annoying cliches.

Seeing as how the second reply is completely pointless, its not only flaming, its also spamming. And even if they did throw a few layout making pointers between insults, the person they're insult will probably either just leave the board, or flame back, resulting in a flamewar that would likely get someone banned. The shame is it would likely be the person who just came there to show off their layout, not the person who flamed them for no reason, atleast partly because they're likely "on staff".

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