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Rom Manic                  Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Greetings 
I've been going through some of the garbage forum that is so dubiously called "The Pit Of Dispair" (Typo ignored), and have come across a few conclusions about the mental ability that the current moderators possess. Mainly, the idiocy, the cynicism, and the hypocrisy. Ever since I first came to the Internet, there was this narrow minded view of how people on the Internet should operate. If you don't follow a set of guidelines given to you through the almighty "FAQ", you're toast. Here, there is no mercy. Yet even those in power break the rules. If I may quote the "Condensed Rules For Idiots (Like You)":
There are a few rules here that I have an issue with: Two. No flaming, either. Assholes will be banned on sight.You might see an issue with this one. But I see this all the time on forums, especially in politically related threads. What separates Bush Bashing from regular old flaming? Is it because he's your leader? Is it because he is not a member of this forum? Does that really justify flaming him? I think it shows a failure to understand exactly what it is you're doing, and in some countries it only provokes the death penalty (God bless Freedom of Speech, eh?) Five. No being stupid.This rule should be enforced a little more. If you truly want people to not act stupid, maybe it should be regulated a little more for those of us who aren't new to the forum or don't have a history of being stupid. If that can't be done, perhaps this should be elated on, rather than telling us what to do and what not to do, or what your definition of spam is. At least new users have an excuse to be stupid, but when people act stupid just to mock them, it shows their mentality. And for mods to be acting this way tells me alot about the capability of their leadership skills. Eight. Hacking a ROM and showing nothing but screenshots of a single level with nothing new is a good way to get a thread closed.Is it really necessary to point this out? A hack is still a hack, and even the smallest achievement should be properly criticized. When you just filter this kind of thing out like trash, it only makes way for more people who have no patience for failure. Is that the kind of community we really desire? Just a bunch of short tempered, short minded reverse engineers? Nine. I hate you all.Love thy enemy as thy friend, right? I think that above all, there is a lack in understanding of how things are supposed to be run, and the way things are run in real life. Oh, one could argue for hours about how the Internet is not a real place, therefore the laws of reality do not exist, but since we're incorporating our rules of society into online communities, why not go the full distance? Wait, I forgot that the internet is ruled by adolescents. There are no adults here, and even if there were, what would they say about our behaviour? Subconsciously, the online community is a getaway from the harsh reality we have to deal with in life. We don't even realize it until it's shoved in our face, like now. So what does this say about the user who comes here on a daily basis? Do they not enjoy the way things are going on the other end? I am not ashamed to say that life is not very enjoyable on my end sometimes, but I'm learning from my mistakes. The point of that is that I have lots of time to learn from my mistakes, but here we only have 3 strikes until you're gone and out for the count. It's a general principle that people adopt as a successful breeding method, but fails in the end. What would happen if real life was like that? My beef... |
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neotransotaku Sledge Brother Liberated from school...until MLK day    Since: 11-17-05 From: In Hearst Field Annex... Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The point of that is that I have lots of time to learn from my mistakes, but here we only have 3 strikes until you're gone and out for the count. It's a general principle that people adopt as a successful breeding method, but fails in the end.
What would happen if real life was like that? the problem is, the world is like that. At least between strangers. You have only so many chances in a system. If you botch them all, it gets ridiculously harder and harder to get more. There are times complaining will get you stuff, but it is all dependent on situation and the leverage you have. If you have little leverage like here, complaints isn't going to get you far. However, if you are a consumer complaining to a business, then you have some leverage to get change. Unless there is a mass exodus from the board, change probably isn't going to happen. But probably if there is a mass exodus, the board is better of disappearing than having the rules fixed to please the few. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku But the world isn't like that. People aren't like that. People develop common sense over time, and shouldn't be banned because of their stupidity. Take a look, if you will, at this website. I spent the better part of 2 years there, and if you compare my first posts to my posts today, and watch them over the years, you'll come to realize that unconditioned learning is much easier to bear than outright rejection. At the time I joined, I was pretty much as "Noobish" as you can get. When I gradually moved away from there, I am who I am today. Because I experienced how to survive on the Internet in an unmoderated environment. I think it's better for people's irrational behaviour to be ignored rather than rejected. I'm sure a few psychologists will agree with me when they tell parents to apply this to their childrens erratic behaviour during childhood. And complaining will get you nowhere. I don't expect any of my complaints to be heeded. I just rant because this is my view and I feel it contrasts very much so to the popular belief that the rest of you share. It doesn't matter what belief it is, because that statement applies to anything I rant about. I'm sure it applies to the same meaning for any of you too. |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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This better be good. If it's not, you're wasting my time at 3 AM, and I don't appreciate that...
Originally posted by Rom Manic I love the smell of unsupported accusations in the morning! You didn't expect this one to slip past us, did you? The thing about accusations is that without any supporting statements, evidence, or hell, names of the accused, they are worth nothing. If you weren't planning on mentioning names, that line should've been left out. Yes and, technically, yes. Last I checked there was no rule against insulting people that aren't registered here - if there was, I wouldn't be able to complain about dumbass customers in my title (which I haven't done lately, actually...).
All but the last sentence: You have a point, to an extent. Problem is, I don't think "elated" is the word you're looking for (elate: tr.v. To make proud or joyful), so I have no clue what the fuck you're trying to say in that part of the paragraph. =/ Last sentence: "I love the smell of unsupported accusations in the morning! You didn't expect this one to slip past us, did you? The thing about accusations is that without any supporting statements, evidence, or hell, names of the accused, they are worth nothing. If you weren't planning on mentioning names, that line should've been left out." Look familiar? If you've been reading my whole post, it should. Related to this topic is another comment you made.. yes, we all start out at least somewhat "noobish" to use your term. The problem - which this rule came from, AFAIK - comes from people who never change! Shyguy changed. Many of us used to think he was stupid, but unlike the people that get banned for stupidity, he improved.
In order... Yes, obviously. Hell, I used to see hack threads without any screenshots at all. =/ Achievment? Did you miss the "single level with nothing new" part? For the most part, all screenshots from a single level can show would be the graphics changes - level design judgement requires more levels to be seen so you can see if they have one consistent problem (maybe it looks bland, has bad palettes, or too many difficult jumps early on). If one level looks bad, you don't have anything to compare to, you don't know if the whole hack will be like that or just a few levels. Same for if one level looks good. But with more screenshots, you can get a better feel for the overall quality of the level design. But hey, I'm not a romhacker, so maybe I don't have a clue what the hell I'm talking about. =/ Although the last statement is accurate of a few people, it probably in no way stems from the problem addressed in Rule Eight that you quoted... there's plenty of other sources of that problem including the fact that some people are, quite simply, arrogant assholes. Even if rule eight never existed, an overwhelming majority of these same people would be arrogant assholes, I'm quite sure. Put in a less wordy manner, it isn't my fault that *insert arrogant asshole here* is an arrogant asshole, but you are essentially blaming the staff for it. Edit 1: Minor rewording. (edited by Cheveyo Chowilawu on 03-17-06 03:27 AM) |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| As a general rule forum moderator tend to be over-zealous, self-imporant or hypocrytical (or any combination of those), and this board is really no exception.
I'm not big on banning people just for not being very bright, atleast if they're not actually breaking any other rules, and I'd much rather see people banned for just being obnoxious and disrespectful. The "FAQ" says "no flaming" but that doesn't stop people from calling people stupid (in just that word, or others), insulting people's work without offering any constructive criticism, and just generally being rude, but the moderators don't care about that. Some of them are moderators. It's also a bit annoying when moderators are constantly closing threads just because they personally don't like the topic, when instead they could just not post or read anything there. But, oh well, that's the way forums are. |
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Valcion Knuckle Joe too much high power man  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| its the internet.
chill the fuck out. OH NOES I SWORE |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Valcion Who are you telling to chill out? It doesn't seem like anyone is getting too riled up. |
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Valcion Knuckle Joe too much high power man Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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oh okay
describes my thoughts on the subject seriously. you really can't expect much moral fiber from an internet board. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I've learned nothing new today. You have allowed me to disprove the statement "You learn something new every day.", and for that, you have my thanks. (edited by Dracoon on 03-18-06 08:10 PM) |
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Squash Monster Bouncy Since: 11-18-05 From: Right next to myself. Last post: 6303 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| In response to Rom Maniac's silly idea of nurturing newbies into full-fledged members:
People who join an internet forum are not suddenly reverted to toddlers and in need of guidance and nurturing. They are old enough to successfully operate a computer and reach a forum, and as such should already be capable of coherent thought. If they are not, then they have been socially inept for however long they have been alive and the amount of time they spend at a forum will not be enough to change anything. The best posters always post intelligently from the get-go. Yes, they may start with weak grammar and horrible spelling on their first forum, and either way they probably will start with a lack of complete understanding as to what is going on. However, grammar and spelling, unlike ability to think coherently, are things that can be improved with practice. And figuring out what is going on is just a regular part of joining another culture. On the other hand, some people are just plain stupid. You can tell who they are because they are just plain stupid. (And Acmlm's does not ban enough people for just being stupid. Seriously.) |
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Cymoro Administrator    Since: 11-17-05 From: Cymoro Gaming Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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You are right, Rom Manic, and phil is right. You are right in the sense that, yes, the rules are broken, even by staff. Fuck, I've insulted people, and with what I think of as good judgement. Think eradicating the jews is an okay concept? Fuck you! Flaming and any derivatives thereof can not, and should not, be eradicated from an internet board. Conflict keeps people from getting lazy, and when you eradicate that conflict, what do you get? You get shitty sprite comics and legions of anime-type drawings. No criticism makes them think they're good. Fuck you, DeviantArt. You get Troublesome, assinine posters. You get fascism. Think Himler took his seat of power by force? Fuck no, Germany was desperate for a leader with a solution, and he was there with his own answers. (And Godwin's Law be damned, this is a fine example) I know it's taught as an elementary principle to not argue, but a resisting force is needed to keep people in line and keep them in shape. And to get rid of it is just damn stupid. Phil is right because it's a messageboard SHITCOCK and the internet. Fucking get a grip, people. |
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Cymoro I see what you did there. (00:49:59) Cymor0: So, thoughts? (00:50:17) DetectiveGrey: I'm gonna post an "I see what you did there" picture (00:50:57) Cymor0: Just that? (00:51:33) DetectiveGrey: Well, that and point out that no matter what happens this argument is full of shit because both sides agree with each other, thereby makign it a notargument (00:52:16) Cymor0: Heh |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| (00:51:33) DetectiveGrey: Well, that and point out that no matter what happens this argument is full of shit because both sides agree with each other, thereby makign it a notargument
Oh, well, let's change this then. People should have a perfect role model to follow at all things, only perfect people should become mods, and only because these perfect people are perfect it will allow the board to run smoothly. You see Grey there? Yeah, he made a mistake by underestimating people, he's off. Valcion? Come on, he's as much of a jackass as they come. Who cares if he's funny, he's a jackass, and that's not perfect. Kirbynite? He made that one mistake that one time. I saw him do it, trust me, I know. Strike him. Rydain? She uhh... has had to have been wrong before... yeah... 
Aww man, this is to stupid for even me to try and argue with, I'm not even sure if I'm doing this right. Anyways, you don't really even appraoch anything in your first post. So there is nothing to argue about, it isn't that everyone agrees, it's that you don't seem to be arguing anything. A society of jackasses will eventually be better than a society of polotically correct wastes water and flesh. And the idea of moral fiber is idiotic. Morals are stupid, do what you see is fit, not if it's right or wrong, cause guess what!!! YOU CAN'T JUDGE WHAT RIGHT AND WRONG REALLY ARE ON A LOT OF THINGS, geez. |
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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Valcion Sorta like the assholes I have to deal with on a certain relay... EDIT: Wonder if anybody on here knows what I'm talking about.  gaga(edited by beneficii on 03-19-06 03:18 AM) |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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You know what's ironic? This picture depicts exactly what I'm trying to prove. The two faced mentality that the internet presents to us from the lack of real identity. And just because this is the Internet doesn't mean that we're all suddenly separated from society. THIS IS SOCIETY! The only difference here is that there's a mask between who we really are and who we want to be to other people, and it pretty much just causes problems such as this. I do have a correction to my original post, though. Bush bashing doesn't really fall under flaming, but when it's all one can do to present a point than they're just biased, which falls under the same category as "ignorant" for me.
I didn't really mean get rid of it completely. I just think that those in charge should know that they're the role models of this place. If they act like they own the place and can do whatever the hell they want, then others will follow in line and take from their examples. Graduated learning, like I mentioned, is a good idea and should be adopted. Simple warning for first offenders are a good start, but for people who blatantly break the rules should be dealt with swiftly because they're just out to have fun, they won't take a ban very seriously. Anyway, I just wanted to get that rant off my chest. Didn't mean to insult anyone. PS: Cheveyo, if you want proof try looking around the Pit of Despair, or just read some locked threads, like this one. I have no quarrel with why it was locked, I understand why it was, but the second post should identify a point I'm trying to get at. At least the mod who locked it was serious about it, rather than mocking me. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Cymoro No, I don't buy that. There is really one reason why people here, or any other message board (moreso on some others) are rude, obnoxious and disrespectful. Because they want to be. Certian people can act stupid, make bad or useless posts, and not contribute much to discussions. But that is no reason to go below that person and act like a jackass. Although these people complain about the people they're being condesending towards, I also don't but that they really mind them as much as they claim. Its pretty clear they enjoy the opportunity to be rude and make themselves seem smarter by insulting other people's intelligence. And no, flaming and arguing are not the same thing. Its easy to argue against someone's views without insulting them personally. |
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Cymoro Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Cymoro Gaming Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by emcee See, I love it when those that say being a jackass (and being condescending thereof) is wrong, yet they are themselves condescending to the very people they criticize. Good job there. You also seem to forget that this is, once again, lol internet. One person being condescending to another (or vice versa) doesn't really matter here. It's not like I said my previous statement to you to your face, then proceeded to kick you in the balls 'til you fell to the ground, then stomped your face in. The internet is a system of anonimity where, to have your place in it, you need to assert yourself and, to be better, you need to be asserted. Sort of like, what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, except in this case, whatever doesn't make you scream at your computer monitor and cry while cutting your wrist to Linkin Park, makes you less of a dramatic person. I guess this is where I scream the sentence that is true, no matter what way you pronounce it. INTERNET IS ANARCHAL SYSTEM COCKFAG LOL |
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Sin Dogan   860  Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Fight the power?
Rules should not be absolute, son. But problems concerning behavior and the like should be dealt with accordingly. |
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