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Anya                   Since: 11-18-05 From: South Florida Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| I just got a called from my hubby saying that he heard over the radio that Nasa will be having a news conference about finding life/bacteria out in space.
I don't know all the details yet, and I don't even know if this is true, but I have the news on just in case. Has anyone heard anything about this today/recently? |
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Zachio Knuckle Joe    Since: 11-19-05 From: Q forever Last post: 6329 days Last view: 6328 days |
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| well, I heard a long time ago that they were going to send a moon of jupiter, Europa (which is covered with ice) to see if there's water under the ice, and then se if there's life in the water. haven't heard since, though. | |||
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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max Blipper  i'm a pixie !!! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6557 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| i think this is it :
NASA'S CASSINI DISCOVERS POTENTIAL LIQUID WATER ON ENCELADUS Thu Mar 09 2006 11:21:33 ET **Exclusive** [Press release set for 2 PM ET release] NASA's Cassini spacecraft may have found evidence of liquid water reservoirs that erupt in Yellowstone-like geysers on Saturn's moon Enceladus. The rare occurrence of liquid water so near the surface raises many new questions about the mysterious moon. "We realize that this is a radical conclusion - that we may have evidence for liquid water within a body so small and so cold," said Carolyn Porco, Cassini imaging team leader at the Space Science Institute, Boulder, Colo. "However, if we are right, we have significantly broadened the diversity of solar system environments where we might possibly have conditions suitable for living organisms." High-resolution Cassini images show icy jets and towering plumes ejecting huge quantities of particles at high speed. Scientists examined several models to explain the process. They ruled out the idea the particles are produced or blown off the moon's surface by vapor created when warm water ice converts to a gas. Instead, scientists have found evidence for a much more exciting possibility. The jets might be erupting from near-surface pockets of liquid water above 0 degrees Celsius (32 degrees Fahrenheit), like cold versions of the Old Faithful geyser in Yellowstone. "We previously knew of at most three places where active volcanism exists: Jupiter's moon Io, Earth, and possibly Neptune's moon Triton. Cassini changed all that, making Enceladus the latest member of this very exclusive club, and one of the most exciting places in the solar system," said John Spencer, Cassini scientist, Southwest Research Institute, Boulder. -more--2- "Other moons in the solar system have liquid-water oceans covered by kilometers of icy crust," said Andrew Ingersoll, imaging team member and atmospheric scientist at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif. "What's different here is that pockets of liquid water may be no more than tens of meters below the surface." "As Cassini approached Saturn, we discovered the Saturnian system is filled with oxygen atoms. At the time we had no idea where the oxygen was coming from," said Candy Hansen, Cassini scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena. "Now we know Enceladus is spewing out water molecules, which break down into oxygen and hydrogen." Scientists still have many questions. Why is Enceladus so active? Are other sites on Enceladus active? Might this activity have been continuous enough over the moon's history for life to have had a chance to take hold in the moon's interior? In the spring of 2008, scientists will get another chance to look at Enceladus when Cassini flies within 350 kilometers (approximately 220 miles), but much work remains after the spacecraft's four-year prime mission is over. "There's no question, along with the moon Titan, Enceladus should be a very high priority for us. Saturn has given us two exciting worlds to explore," said Jonathan Lunine, Cassini interdisciplinary scientist, University of Arizona, Tucson, Ariz. Mission scientists report these and other Enceladus findings in this week's issue of Science. The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
More ability to study the potential for life in the solar system. |
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Skydude Armos Knight  Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6570 days Last view: 6570 days |
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Unfortunately, "life" and "intelligent life" are far different things, with far different likelihoods. There's probably no chance of finding anything more than simple bacteria anywhere 'nearby' if at all...but then, with the right conditions, under the ice of one of Jupiter's moons, as has been said in this thread already, provides some decent possiblity for something, though again, probably not going to find fish so much as waterdwelling bacteria  |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I don't think anyone doubts that. But it is nonetheless life, and given the size of the galaxy and the universe...if our Solar System can spawn life on more than one world it opens limitless possibilities. | |||
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6570 days Last view: 6570 days |
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| Well, not really. I actually took a course on astrobiology, and it's pretty well agreed upon that basic life could exist even in places that are nearly devoid of what we typically think of as necessary for life. It's nice to have proof of that here in our solar system, but hardly as groundbreaking as all that. | |||
Snow Tomato Snap Dragon  Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6317 days Last view: 6302 days |
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| But after million of years of evolution... *intelligent life could exist in other places besides earth.
Not like it'd affect us... but it'd be amazing to actually know that it's just just earth that holds the potential for life. I'd feel smaller, significantly smaller... but I want to know the truth. Everything must be examined. (edited by Snow Tomato on 03-09-06 08:34 PM) |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Maybe there is life but it knows how to cloak itself at the exact time our probes intersect near it? I heard there were some traces of bacteria on the moon but that's old news. It would be cool though, if there was such a race similar to humans but more intelligent visiting earth. (edited by [GGS] Cruel Justice on 03-09-06 11:25 PM) |
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asdf Link's Awakening ಠ_ಠ  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6296 days |
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It's just wrong to think that there isn't life outside our universe. Even if you're religious, that's still no excuse (no offense, though.  ) Our universe is unimaginably big. The odds are heavily in the favor of there being intelligent life out there. Traces of bacteria and stuff have been found on other places in space, as the article mentions. I don't see why there can't be some other, unknown lifeform out there. |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| As I've said so many times before: As the size of the universe increases, the percent chance that it's devoid of all life besides that on Earth decreases proportionally. If the size is infinity, the chance is zero. More detailed explanation: The number of possible combinations of everything on a given planet, though unimaginably huge, is finite. Call that number X. That means the number of different combinations of everything in the universe is X * the number of planets that exist. If the universe is infinite, then there are infinite planets. X * infinity = infinity. Thus every possible combination of everything - everything that can possibly exist, and perhaps more - is out there somewhere.
It's difficult to comprehend, as infinity tends to be, but think what this means. Somewhere out there is a planet exactly like Earth (complete with people), except grass is orange. Another planet is also exactly like Earth but twice the size. Another is twice the size and has orange grass, and so on... And since there are infinite planets there are also infinite copies of them, even an infinite number of duplicate Earths. Now, whether they're exactly the same basically depends how time works. There are two possibilities: One, on each duplicate, everything happens exactly the same. This means if you were to get in a rocket and fly to one of them, nobody would ever realize you'd arrived - on the duplicate planet you'd arrived on, your duplicate would have left for yet another duplicate. Everybody, including yourself, would think you'd simply come right back to the original Earth. The other possibility is that just because two planets are initially identical doesn't mean the events that occurr on each are. Thus you may stumble across a planet which, when it was first created, was completely identical to Earth when it was created, but different things have happened since then. Maybe someone there cured Cancer. Maybe something killed most early life and there are no humans there. Who knows? Of course this entire theory depends on the universe truly being infinite, and not just really really big.  |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6570 days Last view: 6570 days |
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| The other issue that's rather important is the time horizon you're talking about. Humans have been around for a speck of time, and even multicellular organisms were around for just a small part of the Earth's existence...and who knows, we may wipe ourselves out soon. So it's not just about whether or not intelligent life exists, which depends on quite a few factors such as planet size and composition, distance from the star, the kind of start, etc. that all need to be just right, if we want to find life, but we would need to find it during the brief (in the sense of the universe) time it exists. As for the infinite universe, there's actually a lower chance of life, at least as we know it, as you go out due to the composition of elements changing and a lot of necessary ones for life being a bit more scarce as you get farther out from the center.
There's almost surely life out there. There's probably another intelligent civilization that has formed at some point. There may even be one that exists contemporaneously with us. This isn't from a pessimistic perspective, but just looking at the scientific facts. The more you know, unfortunately, the less likely it actually becomes. Of course, part of the importance of what I said is life as we know it. Any of you who saw the movie Evolution may be familiar with the idea of silicon (as opposed to carbon) based life, which may have different needs, and to bring up another movie, Titan AE had energy-based beings. From what we know, both of these seem impossible, but from a theoretical standpoint they could exist based on principles we don't understand, and that could shift the possibility for other life towards the positive direction if they could exist. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| The Borg (von Neumann styled creatures) or other forms of AI may also be a possibility.
Then there are the Tholians and Gorn! |
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Kyoufu Kawa Intends to keep Rom Hacking in one piece until the end  Since: 11-18-05 From: Catgirl Central Station Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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I can locate Vulcan on a star map from memory  |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Of course, there is always the Fermi Paradox to take into account with regards to extra-terrestrial life. | |||
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6570 days Last view: 6570 days |
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| I'm not sure who it is who said it originally, but perhaps the search for truly intelligent life can begin with the idea that if there are indeed intelligent civilizations, the fact that they have NOT contacted the human race may provide further proof for just how intelligent they really are. | |||
dcahrakos   490 Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6513 days Last view: 6513 days |
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Originally posted by Kyoufu Kawa I can locate vulcan on a map of this province 
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Vulcan+Alberta&ll=50.400749,-113.271618&spn=0.048254,0.172863&t=h and there it is 8 hours from me. although id like to visit the actual planet if it were there. |
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero  Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by SkydudeI'm pretty sure that's that's from Calvin & Hobbes. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| The planet Vulcan, besides a few religious sites is fairly boring. It is a desolate desert, mostly. |
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