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Kutske                 Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6641 days Last view: 6641 days |
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| What is religion? An organized set of beliefs and ceremonies. That said, it's quite possible to believe in things like the existence of a god and afterlife, without subscribing to a religion. I'm curious, do we have any such people here? If so, would you please describe for us your personal spiritual beliefs? | |||
Clockworkz Birdon   Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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I'm a tad confused. I thought religion was practicing the very belief that that certain group of people uses to accentuate their feelings and revel in the existance (or lack thereof) of their God(s and/or Goddess(s)). That being said, I don't believe it's possible not be a part of a religion, as long as you believe in something. I guess you could say I'm non-religious since I do not practice Rites and Spells too often 
I am a Wiccan. I believe in the God and Goddesss and the five elements. I follow the Threefold Rule and follow the Wiccan Rede. I believe in Summerland, the afterlife where souls go to choose to reincarnate themselves. I believe in Magick and Witchcraft. I do not believe in the devil. I am not evil or filled with hate. I take everyone's feelings and beliefs into concern, and I acknowledge and respect all religions. I do not force my faith upon anyone, though I am not afraid to admit my religion, in fact, I am proud to call myself a Neo-Pagan. I do not wish hurtful or unkind things upon anyone, and I do not revel in it when bad things befall anyone, even those I dislike. I try to make the world a better place with the help of my religion and beliefs. I love the Earth and everyone on it. That is what I believe in. (edited by Clockworkz on 11-21-05 03:35 PM) |
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Kutske Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6641 days Last view: 6641 days |
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| The term "religion" has come to refer specifically to organized belief systems shared by a group of people. The main thing that seperates religion from merely believing in the divine, is that religious practices involve rituals, rites and other ceremonies. Also, if someone decides for themself what they think the end result is for our bodies and minds, and they don't give a formalized name to their beliefs, and they don't try and get anyone else to emulate their beliefs, then that isn't a religion, even though it is a spiritual belief. I've often heard people say, "I'm not religious, but I am spiritual." So there is indeed a difference, I don't think that everyone has a religion (atheism and agnosticism come to mind).
Wicca is a religion, it contains esoteric knowledge which it's followers adhere to and hold as truth, just like all other religions. I'm looking for those who would not identify with an established religion. Cults don't count either, since those also contain formalized beliefs. The key is just that; formalized belief systems. I'm looking for those who lack such things, but still believe in something spiritual. |
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ardeth sun-jekol Micro-Goomba  Since: 11-23-05 From: Lancaster Last post: 6731 days Last view: 6731 days |
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| I'm not all too fond of religion, mainly because I've seen the many hypocrites turn around and shit on their beliefs. Now, religion isn't necessarily bad, just the hypocrites who 'preach' it are. | |||
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Kutske Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6641 days Last view: 6641 days |
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| Please, I don't want any debates started. It's fine if you don't like religion; a) that's not what this topic is about and b) I really don't want a fight started. Let's try to keep focus and stay on-topic. | |||
MathOnNapkins  1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| I think this thread would be better suited to World Affairs. Not that you couldn't get a serious discussion here... it just seems to be more suited to that topic in that forum. You could ask a staff member to move it there.
For myself, I don't really know if I believe in the spirit. There's very little in everyday experience to suggest it. I believe what you might perceive as spirit could boil down to some very complex chemical reactions in the brain. Do I believe that it has to be that way? Hardly. When I was young I suppose I was more open to such notions... but my skepticism has grown quite a bit since then. However, I'd say I do have fundamental beliefs about how society should work. People shouldn't kill unless absolutely necessary. People should leave each other alone. I usually leave people alone, but I could hardly call that a universal, b/c there are lots of people who like to start shit (assholes). If there's an afterlife, I can't imagine what it would be. I believe it's our purpose to master the universe, and dying doesn't seem like mastering anything. Perhaps we will figure out how to live forever through science some day. Of course we'd have to fight the right wing nutjobs tooth and nail. And there would probably be lots of failed experiments before that happened. If there is a God (or gods), I don't think he's very fond of most humans. I say this b/c for the most part my life has been full of good things. Whether this is intercession or luck or my own careful regard for myself, I can't say. As I type this, a slight wave of fear gripped me... I guess it's an old trained reaction from Church. The fear that God is listening and getting pissed off at me and take what I say the wrong way  . Which brings me to my last point - one reason I dislike religion is that it seems to be a tool of control and fear.(edited by MathOnNapkins on 11-23-05 08:04 AM) |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| I kind of do. There is so much I want to look into though, that if I went to a church, I doubt they'd like me. | |||
Danielle   6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE   Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Bumped over to world affairs, hopefully it will get more activity there. |
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Originally posted by ardeth sun-jekol I quote your because all people are incapable of keeping themselves without falt. I have to disagree with most of your on the meaning of religion. I see atheism as religions, because it's belief structure is usually based on the non-exsistance of a God/s, or not the 'absolute' belief of non-absolutes (they contradict themselves all the time). (edited by Bookworm on 11-23-05 11:29 PM) (edited by Rydain on 11-26-05 10:27 AM) |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Religion is a set of beliefs in a faith.
Thus, atheism, agnosticism, etc. can be construed as a faith, and by a small stretch of imagine...a religion. A non-religious person is truly respectable as they can just shurg it all off. |
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Kutske Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6641 days Last view: 6641 days |
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Bookworm: I have to disagree with most of your on the meaning of religion. I see atheism as religions, because it's belief structure is usually based on the non-exsistance of a God/s, or not the 'absolute' belief of non-absolutes (they contradict themselves all the time). The problem is, there is no Atheist Doctrine. If you ask one person what atheism is, they could have wildly different beliefs than another person who identifies as atheist, where as with religion, it's all pretty much the same between members, with only minor greviances on special issues (abortion, gun control, homosexuality). There is a world of difference between religion and faith, the former being an organized system of beliefs, the latter being person conviction learned from personal experiences, not read in a book or heard from a preacher. |
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Clockworkz Birdon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| There is no Eclectic Wiccan doctrine either, especially for the solitart, like myself. That section of Wiccan; It is not preached, it is self taught, thus rendering your prior point invalid. | |||
Rydain Sir Kibble Blaze Phoenix Runs with the Dragon Within  Since: 11-18-05 From: State College, PA Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by BookwormNo, it is not. Atheism is broadly defined as lack of belief in deity, not explicit rejection of the existence of deity. Some atheists do assert a belief that various deities do not exist, but not all do, and it is inaccurate to equate simple lack of belief with religion. Read Austin Cline's essays on the definition of atheism and belief vs. disbelief. Most Christians believe in the existence of the Judeo-Christian God. Would you say that they actually have a religion based on disbelief in Zeus? Osiris? The Tuatha de Danaan? The Flying Spaghetti Monster and His noodly appendage? |
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Aurxix Flurry Since: 11-23-05 From: Canada Last post: 6740 days Last view: 6740 days |
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I beleivve In God and hope that there is a afterlife and that I will make it to the good one  |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Do I have to whip out my gigantic philosophy books to simultaneously prove and disprove the existence of God, or the concept wherein? | |||
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Kutske Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6641 days Last view: 6641 days |
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Clockwork: There is no Eclectic Wiccan doctrine either, especially for the solitart, like myself. That section of Wiccan; It is not preached, it is self taught, thus rendering your prior point invalid. Or it means that that particular section of Wicca isn't truly a religion by strict definition, and it only has a name so that like-minded people can form a social circle and put on their various and personal styles of wizard hats and robes. Sorry, I had to say it. Mr. Z: Do I have to whip out my gigantic philosophy books to simultaneously prove and disprove the existence of God, or the concept wherein? *rolls up newspaper and hits you with it* Quoth the...me. Please, I don't want any debates started. It's fine if you don't like religion; a) that's not what this topic is about and b) I really don't want a fight started. Let's try to keep focus and stay on-topic. |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| I don't really have a definate religeon. I do however, believe that there is a higher power that created the universe but we will never be able to fully comprehend this entity. I don't think this so-called god has any form whatsoever and it's selfish to think that it assumes the form of a man. Humans are stupid little cockroaches and most of them need to die because their lives revolve around themselves. I don't believe in the bible at all because it was made by some hack named St.Augustus and plenty of other dead people.
I lean towards Buddism a bit. I think simplicity makes a happier life. Society has put most of us in hectic chains, which is why many of us complain about work, school, the law, rules, etc. Do we REALLY need all of that to live? What do you think? |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Dude. World Affairs/Debate. If you don't want it debated put it into General Chat. Heck, if that's what you want I'll toss it there. Plus, I was primarily responding to the fact that people are basing religion on the belief of a diety or something. I mean, look at Scientology. I'm not saying that it should be considered a religion, but some people see it as one. They don't really have a god. I mean, they have a Satanic figure in the form of EVIL LORD XENU, but not much else...Unless you really want to consider a terrible science fiction writer a god. And trust me, I read Battlefield Earth, that man will never be a god. | |||
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Kutske Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6641 days Last view: 6641 days |
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| From my understanding, Mr. Z, off-topic posting is still unacceptable, even in the World Affairs/Debate forum. I ask a question, "If you are spiritual, but not religious, what do you believe in?" "Religion is dumb" is simply not an acceptable nor helpful reply to that question, in my eyes. If I'm wrong, tell me so and I'll duly note this for future reference, but that was my understanding of things. | |||
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Clockworkz Birdon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Originally posted by Kutske Don't fuck with me. Why don't you go and check out Aren Hiscock's book "Eclectic Wicca for Life'? Taken straight from Wikipedia. I am proud of my religion, and you know what? Maybe, Kutske, I think your religion is idiotic and absurd, but I sure as hell won't be a dick about it and post it in a public place where other people that may be of the same religion can see it, and thus, start a shit fight, which is what I believe you're trying to escalate this to. The next time you have a vague assumption of a religion (that you probably know nothing about, and base your "ideas" off negative propaganda) that crosses your mind, you'll hold your tongue and make a lot less enemies. (edited by Clockworkz on 11-27-05 03:21 PM) (edited by Clockworkz on 11-27-05 03:27 PM) |
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