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Wurl                    Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6336 days Last view: 6336 days |
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| The fact that you don't know about the genocide in Rwanda disproves the fact about media preventing genocide somewhat. (edited by Wurl on 02-26-06 10:19 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Crashman We did? |
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Silvershield   580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by WurlHow is that? |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I hardly think SS is going to start running around attack Hutus and Tsitsis, I think emcee's point was that genocide still occurs today. It's a pity that more people aren't educated against the various genocidal campaigns in history...Armenia, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, etc. | |||
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Alright, let me restate my point concisely: in my estimation, genocide is essentially impossible in the modern First World because, of the steps that necessarily precede such large scale murder - for example, the process of convincing a population to be outwardly hateful towards the targeted group - none are plausible when considering the role of modern institutions (mainly the media). | |||
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Sin Dogan 860  Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6298 days |
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Originally posted by Wurl I can ask "how many people actually remember the Rwanda(correct spelling, btw) incident when it happened?"(I do, for the sake of argument) but there's no point to it. Also how many people do you think know about more recent genocides like in Srebenica(sp?) and Gujarat. That's more troubling because of the chronological proximity. Gujarat being in 2002 and Srebenica being in 1995. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6336 days Last view: 6336 days |
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| My point is the media, which you argue will prevent genocide by covering the story, ignores alot of those important stories. More disturbing many major world powers ignore or help these crimes against humanity.
P.S. "Fixed" that letter a that snuck into Rwanda. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Wurl...no, I never argued that. When I brought up the issue of the media, I thought more of the various pundits who make a living off of criticizing political figures' actions. If George Bush were to begin spouting anti-Jewish rhetoric, he would be attacked so visibly and thoroughly on television and radio that a person could not help but recognize it. He couldn't be so subtle and fly under the radar with it, because someone in the modern world would be quick to call him on it (which nobody really did with Hitler). And, even if it were the media's coverage that would prevent genocide, you make it sound as if the American media pays a lot of attention to other countries, and foreign genocide has sort of just "gone unnoticed." Given the same circumstances or events in America, I can guarantee you that they'd be spotted and strewn all over the media immediately. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by SilvershieldOriginally posted by Wurl...no, I never argued that. When I brought up the issue of the media, I thought more of the various pundits who make a living off of criticizing political figures' actions. If George Bush were to begin spouting anti-Jewish rhetoric, he would be attacked so visibly and thoroughly on television and radio that a person could not help but recognize it. He couldn't be so subtle and fly under the radar with it, because someone in the modern world would be quick to call him on it (which nobody really did with Hitler). You're missing the major issue here. It's not like one day Hitler was considered a general all around good guy, and the next day he just up and said "Hey, here's an idea, let's kill all the Jews". There had alway been some level of antisemitism in Europe, but after the Depression when it appeared that the Jews had came out relatively unscathed, they became a source of envy, and then a source of blame and a scapegoat for all the problems. And the Nazis nutured this hate and gradually went from oppression to slavery to mass execution. You think that can't happen here? Then you're right, you are being naive. After 9/11 there was racial tensions toward Muslim, and Arabs unlike any time in recent US history. It's obvious that much of the support giving to the Administration for the war in Iraq came from anger toward Arabs in general, since we can't catch all the individuals who did it (specifically Bin Laden), let's just declare war on the whole lot. They're the scapegoat. How many people, reported on in the mainstream press, spoke out against the detainment of prisoners in Guantanamo, without so much as a trial, even months after 9/11? God forbid there's another attack, worst than the first. With all the anger, hate and fear is it so unthinkable that a strong leader could convince the general population that internment is nessicary? Then internment camps become concentration camps, and concentration camps become death camps. |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| I dont see how holocaust denial is ABSOLUTELY IN EVERY SINGLE CASE tied to incitement of violence. Yes, maybe in most cases, but i strongly doubt its in every single case. Freedom of speech should still cover it except in cases where it goes beyond holocaust denial to outright incitement of violence. I never said freedom of speech was absolute, just that in my opinion it should be, with the distinction of things like yelling fire in crowded building with the intent to cause harm, which would be a criminal act.
Trying to alter peoples beliefs in historical facts should not be a crime, because historical "facts" are notoriously shady. History is based on what our best knowledge at the time is, and that changes. As far as there being no hated minorities today, i know that to be wrong. I can think of one group which is very hated and oppressed right here in America, due to the public's misinformation and fear. But its not an ethnicity. |
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