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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY!                     Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Travis Frey, what is your problem?
This guy drafted a "contract of wifely expectations". Everything from hygiene to... well, "Good Behavior Days". How can you earn them?
It gets MUCH worse, but you have to read the contract for yourself. For instance: Originally posted by NY Daily News That came from a story here. The good news? He's on trial for kidnapping his wife (who never signed the contract) after tying her to a bed, which he mentioned in the contract as punishment for not adhering to his standards. Then, prosecutors added 12 counts of exploitation of a minor after poking around his computer during the investigation. Also in Iowa's favor, the kidnapping charge carries a life sentence without parole. |
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Clockworkz Birdon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| "Ohhh, Lawdy, lawdy, lawdy, don't let mazza beat me down! I never gonna look at anotha man, not ever!"
Seriously; I thought slavery was abolished. Welcome to 2006, buddy. Things don't roll that way anymore. |
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Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is. Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I hope this little shit rots in jail.
And gets his own 'contract' of the same manner. (edited by Edit my name and you fry on 02-20-06 02:02 AM) |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Funny and horrible in the same way, guess he can have a fun time in prison now. He only seem to think on sex, and being the dominant one. 
I just hope people don't grow up to be like theese when they seen too many BDSM movies... (edited by Catfish on 02-20-06 02:06 AM) |
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Trapster King Dedede Since: 11-19-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6404 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I think he forgot that we´re in the 20th century now. Not the early 19th. That guy is a complete control freak. "This will continue every night until you are ready to be compliance, at which time you will need to apologize and explain how you are ready to be my sex slave agin."
Control freak, no shit. I hope they´ll throw him in the darkest possible cell and "loses" the key. |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Kinda redundant "kidnapping" your own wife. If he's gonna be that low why couldn't he just hire a prostitute to do his little requests? I'd like to see him try to talk big truck driver bubba and biker butch into doing the same thing. That was just bizarre and unusual, I feel a bit nauseated right now.  |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Interesting. I notice it does not mention Threesomes...Are they not allowed? Do they allow for a GBD if she arranges it by herself? The document seems incomplete and not accomodating to all possible outcomes.
The verdict: Null. Send author to jail for misleading contract negotiations. |
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Skydude Armos Knight  Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6569 days Last view: 6569 days |
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| That's...a little scary, really. I don't know if it's fair to blame this on Iowa, though, as much as the nutjob himself. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| It's a legally binding contract if she signed it. So long as she doesn't he's not very guilty for making it.
But I do not think this is the real focus of the issue at hand. So this man tried to rape his wife. Thats not Iowa's fault, thats his fault. But maybe he has a fetish. Saying thats wrong is about as wrong as saying a man that likes lesbian porn more than straight porn is evil and should go to jail for it...Not to say trying to force that on his wife is right, since it is kinda illegal and is considered rape. It's just a psychological angle of it all. |
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Kutske Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6643 days Last view: 6643 days |
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| While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free, Let us all be grateful for a land so fair, As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer: God Bless America. Land that I love Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies , To the oceans, white with foam God bless America My home sweet home. God Bless America, Land that I love Stand beside her, And guide her, Through the night With the light from above, From the mountains, To the prairies, To the ocean, White with foam, God bless America, My home sweet home. God bless America, My home sweet home. Cruel Justice: Kinda redundant "kidnapping" your own wife. By this do you mean it's not possible to kidnap one's own wife? Of course it is. Kidnapping is confining someone to a limited area and holding them there against their will. Their relationship to you doesn't change the fact. Rom Maniac: It's a legally binding contract if she signed it. So long as she doesn't he's not very guilty for making it. Surely you're not serious. First of all, just writing, "This is a contract that says you (John Doe) must do everything I (Joe Schmoe) tell you to." And then having someone sign it does not make it a legally binding contract. Secondly, under no circumstances can a contract, no matter how well-written or official, stipulate the committing of a crime on or by the author or signer of the contract. Thirdly, on the fourth page the author writes, "This is not a contract; it is a description of rules for you." Directly stating that it's not a contract. This four-page doccument was brought up by the prosecution to show what a whacko Mr. Frey is when his wife charged him with kidnapping. Rom Maniac: But maybe he has a fetish. Saying thats wrong is about as wrong as saying a man that likes lesbian porn more than straight porn is evil and should go to jail for it...Not to say trying to force that on his wife is right, since it is kinda illegal and is considered rape. It's just a psychological angle of it all. This isn't a case of "apples and oranges" in the least, and even if he has a fetish for dictating every aspect of his wife's life, that doesn't mean he has a right to try and enact those fantasies. He can fantasize about them, of course, just like someone can fantasize about rape or sex with a child, but the moment something like that is attempted to be realized, it becomes illegal. Really, you sound like you're defending this guy. Although the fact that he wrote the doccument in itself is no reason to arrest him, the fact remains that he kidnapped his wife, and the doccument suggests that he's a very distrurbed and controlling person, which could be grounds for getting their marraige annulled and granting full custody to the mother. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Whacko I wonder if he used a protractor and a ruler for these measurement checks. (edited by emcee on 02-21-06 05:27 AM) |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Surely you're not serious. First of all, just writing, "This is a contract that says you (John Doe) must do everything I (Joe Schmoe) tell you to." And then having someone sign it does not make it a legally binding contract. Umm, yeah it does. Secondly, under no circumstances can a contract, no matter how well-written or official, stipulate the committing of a crime on or by the author or signer of the contract. Thirdly, on the fourth page the author writes, "This is not a contract; it is a description of rules for you." Directly stating that it's not a contract. This four-page doccument was brought up by the prosecution to show what a whacko Mr. Frey is when his wife charged him with kidnapping. Ok, so I missed that. My mistake. Maybe it doesn't even matter. But point being, in Canada that is a legally binding contract. Perhaps not in America, but that's not my business. This isn't a case of "apples and oranges" in the least, and even if he has a fetish for dictating every aspect of his wife's life, that doesn't mean he has a right to try and enact those fantasies. He can fantasize about them, of course, just like someone can fantasize about rape or sex with a child, but the moment something like that is attempted to be realized, it becomes illegal. Really, you sound like you're defending this guy. Although the fact that he wrote the doccument in itself is no reason to arrest him, the fact remains that he kidnapped his wife, and the doccument suggests that he's a very distrurbed and controlling person, which could be grounds for getting their marraige annulled and granting full custody to the mother. Oh, I see what's going on here. The moment I step out of the mob mentality, I'm suddenly defending him. The whole point of that post was to remain neutral. I don't care if he killed someone, I'm not the one who has to judge him. None of you have the right to do that. But be that as it may, I apologize for any confusion I brought up. The problem with laws is that it guides different people down one single path. Not to incite Anarchy, but for a world that's so different, we base our morals on the wrong kind of perspectives these days. We all have a basic sense of whats right and wrong, some more than others, and nowadays we have to change our morals to keep going in the system. For example, would you date a 14 year old if you're 20? The law says no, and thus our judgement on the subject is forced upon us. Yet the female of 14 is just finished going through that phase where she is now ready to bear a child. Physically and mentally. Unfortunately, society says she will fail because she is too young to bear a child and cannot afford it. Some cultures around the world would see nothing wrong with this. Yet we do. Are our ancestors just a bunch of wrinkly old geezers with flawed morals? Did they feel that judging another culture and seriously contrasting it to their own was right? However, thats not to say that all laws are bad, the code of laws can prevent alot of evil, but for some people they just inhibit who they really are. If anyone takes that as defending a rapist, you need to think more logically about it. (edited by Rom Manic on 02-23-06 11:05 AM) (edited by Rom Manic on 02-23-06 11:06 AM) |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic Read the entire contract. There's a little bit wrong with it for every single type of culture  |
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Silvershield   580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Rom ManicA modern American (or other Western) female, age 14 years, is not mentally prepared to bear a child. Certainly she is physically capable - she may even be able to at 13 or 12 or even younger - but the emotional and psychological aspect is beyond the capacity of nearly any girl of that age. And, there is something to be said about disobeying an unjust law. Some laws may direct us to alter an intrinsic moral sense in order to line up more closely with what is right according to society, but there is no dishonor in ignoring such a statute that violates an undeniable moral principle. I don't think American laws are so drastically immoral that they force the average person to significantly alter his own moral compass, though; at least, I can't think of a single example. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Who would sign this? I mean seriously... If they're that stupid to sign it, they kind of deserve it don't you think?
I'm in no way defending the guy, I just think that if someone is stupid enough to sign it, they deserve the stipulations. |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The problem isn't what would happen if someone signed it... the problem is that his wife DIDN'T. Therefore, it was still kidnapping/assault.
And... I found that contract disturbing to no end. Just had to say that. |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6569 days Last view: 6569 days |
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| Even if she had signed it, contracts which are deemed unconscionable can be declared null and void by the courts. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Well they would obviously have to go through court to null it. This would call for more than probable cause to do so...
We don't prepare these 14 year olds because we figure they should be focusing on other things than starting a family. 14 year old girls in Africa are taught from a young age that they will, or should, have a family started. |
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Trapster King Dedede Since: 11-19-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6404 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Yes, and their life situation is totally different from ours.
And on the subject of this guy being an ass, too bad there ARE men who abuses their women like this. They should be given the same treatment as their wives (correct me if that was wrong) for a whole year if not more. |
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mattp Red Paratroopa Since: 03-04-06 Last post: 6560 days Last view: 6560 days |
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Mr, we're in the 21st century now, not the 20th. By the way a contract is not legally binding unless both parties give something up and gain something. Also this contract is total bullshit, the guy is a peice of shit and he deserves to get fucking locked up for decades for this. |
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