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Pac Bandit Free Ice Man!                    Since: 11-18-05 From: Ireland Rate me Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Obviously, this isn't the first time this has been brought up, but I feel it's about time somebody actually did something about it. A lot of people don't even use 2 Player (some even disable it in their hacks), but there are still a lot that do, and I am definitely not the only one who finds it annoying that Mario and Luigi use the same GFX.
I am not posting this in the ASM hack request thread because I am not requesting, I'm simply asking what's involved in making this ASM hack myself. I know quite a bit of ASM by now, so before somebody calls me a n00b (and even gets it closed), know that I know what I'm talking about. And before anybody suggests that people use SMAS+W instead... just no. 
So basically, I just want to brief run-down of what's involved in making an ASM hack like this. PS: I'm also going to try to make different GFX files to load in SP1 because M and L use different expansion tiles (fingertips etc.) Would this be difficult? Would it involve bypassing the ExGFX and/or Super GFX Bypass? Thanks in advance. |
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HabsoluteFate Red Goomba  Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6524 days Last view: 6524 days |
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| the SMW Dev Environment was going to split up the sprites eventually i just never got to it...although you can use it to split up the palettes with the current version...
from what i remember it was possible to split up the sprites and eventually thats what SDE was going to have functionality-wise along with everything else (edited by HabsoluteFate on 02-16-06 07:40 AM) |
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Smallhacker Super Koopa I AM A Group Of Officially Frustrated Younglings, G.O.O.F.Y. MEMBER |
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| I tried a long time ago, but gave up when I noticed that MVP/MVN doesn't like copying $100 bytes and above (and I know nothing about how to use DMA).
I came up with another idea a few days ago, though, but it gives you less graphics space. I belive it would be a lot easier to copy the Mario tilemaps and hax some ASM to make it load the new tilemap for player 2. However, this requires you to cram both Mario's and Luigi's graphics into GFX32.bin. To save space, you could remove some frames, like lowering Big Mario's walking/running animation frames to 2, and such stuff. Also, you could keep the Mario bodies, but make the faces different to save a lot of space. |
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Raccoon Sam Boomerang Brother Custom Title  Since: 11-20-05 From: Correct Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Well, there could be a somekind of a trick prehaps.
If the function "Omg, It's player 2. { Change Pallette". Would be replaced with "Omg, It's player 2. { Change graphics." Or something *-,-*. I dunno about this stuff.. (edited by Raccoon Sam on 02-16-06 11:17 AM) |
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Pac Bandit Free Ice Man! Since: 11-18-05 From: Ireland Rate me Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Raccoon Sam, just... stop posting. _¬ | |||
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Smallhacker Super Koopa I AM A Group Of Officially Frustrated Younglings, G.O.O.F.Y. MEMBER |
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| Okay. My idea was a lot easier than I thought.
This patch gives Luigi his own tilemap. It's not fully tested, so backup your rom before applying the patch. Also, make sure that $100000-$1001FF in the rom is empty. If it isn't, you can't use this patch. As you might have guessed, my tilemap editor doesn't support editing Luigi's tilemap. To edit Luigi's tilemap, make a copy of the rom. Then open your hex editor and copy the data at $100070-$1001EF to $620C-$638B. Now, edit the tilemap in the editor. When you're done, copy the data at $620C-$638B to $100070-$1001EF. Then copy the data at $620C-$638B in the copy of the rom to the same location in the real hack. |
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Techokami Porcupo  Since: 12-03-05 From: Mass-uh-chew-sits USofA Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6287 days |
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@SmallHacker: hi God  |
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insectduel Lantern Ghost Not welcome here anymore.  Since: 11-18-05 From: Bronx, New York Last post: 6529 days Last view: 6324 days |
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| My brother created his Luigi Patch long time ago but never requested to me yet. But he still never disable the 1P/2P Game menu yet. He also include Toad, and Peach Sprites as well. | |||
Someguy Tooky Since: 11-17-05 From: West Virginia-USA Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| How come nobody's tried to trace the way Super Mario All Stars + World does it? Perhaps not many know that it loads an uncompressed set of graphics overtop Mario when player two is playing? Maybe it's just not as easy as I figure it would be... Awesome job with the tilemap thing though, SmartHacker. | |||
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Smallhacker Super Koopa I AM A Group Of Officially Frustrated Younglings, G.O.O.F.Y. MEMBER |
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Originally posted by Someguy Hmm... Mental note: Find the differences between SMW and the SMAS+SMW version whenever I feel like it. |
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Techokami Porcupo Since: 12-03-05 From: Mass-uh-chew-sits USofA Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| I sat down with the SMAS+SMW ROM to find Luigi's GFX... it's odd. His GFX are loaded in the title screen (right below the title screen GFX you can find the Luigi sprites, UNCOMPRESSED to boot)
This might be a tricky thing to pull off, but who knows? 
@SmallHacker: Differences... 1) Has 4 save slots 2) You can press Select at the map screen to quit 3) No internal save file manager (as in, it's done through the selection screen in SMAS' main menu) 4) Loads another GFX file for Luigi via a method I would LOVE to figure out ...as I was finishing up this post, an idea came to mind. Why not use an ExGFX slot to store the Luigi GFX file? (edited by Techokami on 02-16-06 03:06 PM) |
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Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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Originally posted by insectduel So your brother made a 4-player game? Or he just made it possible to select Toad and Peach? It dosn't matter, since I won't believe a word of it until I see proof. It just seems so unlikely... Originally posted by Someguy I also was surprised that no one else looked into doing this! Especially since you seemed to have figured it out (you said it loads uncompressed graphics over Mario?)...I think since it is still SMW that you could, except for offset-related data of course, almost copy the exact code that does it in SMAS+W into SMW just about perfect? Or maybe I'm just aiming too high.. (edited by Yoronosuku on 02-16-06 04:55 PM) |
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Techokami Porcupo Since: 12-03-05 From: Mass-uh-chew-sits USofA Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6287 days |
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Originally posted by YoronosukuQFT.Originally posted by insectduel Originally posted by YoronosukuIMHO, that seems to be a plausible way to do it. All we need is someone who knows how to do the greasework to get the code =/Originally posted by Someguy |
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Someguy Tooky Since: 11-17-05 From: West Virginia-USA Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Most people say all SMAS+W really is is just SMW tacked onto the end of SMAS. They may have modded offsets or such but LM has full compatability with whatever changes there are so it can't be so big that porting code would be hard.
I myself figure it would be tacked on right after the Mario GFX loading routine, check the current player value, if it's Luigi, quickly replace the just loaded graphics with the uncompressed ones. No need to mess with the GFX sets or anything like that. |
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BMF54123 Since: 11-18-05 From: MOOGLES Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Heheh, funny, I was actually working on a way to switch Mario's tiles a couple of days ago. What are the odds?
Anyway, what I did was locate the code that copies Mario's decompressed tiles from RAM to VRAM each frame, and changed it to copy uncompressed tiles from ROM instead. This may even be the same method SMAS+SMW uses, as it doesn't require a lengthy DMA transfer. Of course, there's more to swapping player sprites than that (all I've done is change some addresses), but it's a start. One HUGE benefit of having ROM-based player tiles is that it frees up nearly 24K of RAM between $7E2000-$7E7BFF...  |
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Pac Bandit Free Ice Man! Since: 11-18-05 From: Ireland Rate me Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Ont thing that SMAS+W doesn't do is load different player expansion tiles (fingertips). SMB3 does, and I'm using SMB3 player sprites.
So yeah, just wanted to throw that in there.  |
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Techokami Porcupo Since: 12-03-05 From: Mass-uh-chew-sits USofA Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6287 days |
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Originally posted by peter_ac One thing that can be done is to work around this and edit the SMB3 sprites Another would be to also load a different GFX00 when as Luigi |
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jp Red Paragoomba Since: 12-19-05 From: Uruguay Last post: 6633 days Last view: 6633 days |
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| I accomplished that early in January
I used a DMA transfer of a tile set saved in the ROM. I extracted the tile set from a ZST. I'm not working on my hack anymore, so I'm releasing all my notes. In this thread there is more info, I included the code used in a block to activate it http://board.acmlm.org/thread.php?id=2847 |
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asdf Link's Awakening ಠ_ಠ  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6286 days |
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Originally posted by Smallhacker Holy crap, dude. Holy crap.  Good job on that, hopefully we can get all the bugs worked out.
I also don't believe that 4-player game crap. |
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Hamtaro126 Red Goomba stupid as as OSHT BAN Since: 11-20-05 From: Hacktown, Usa Last post: 6547 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| GREAT WORK JP!!! But a couple of things:
1: Can Anyone give me a hack for changing the NINTENDO PRESENTS logo to a intro/part of a title screen like one of ice man's hacks (SMW returns i think)? (Optional, as i might rip it later!) 2: Anyone can help make a ASM/TSA hack where I can use a gun instead of your hand? 3: Make a Hack where a throw block can not change color, (And the color must be both yellow and blue, and make it seprate hacks, please!) Now i cant find the Throw block colors and routine, as I can find other sprites easily -hamtaro126 |
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