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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - Norwegian and Danish embassies burned due to cartoons |
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Wurl                    Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree And it's a blog, not a "real" publication. (edited by Wurl on 02-12-06 01:06 AM) |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| of course.... if it's opinion then it is instantly invalid
when did I say it was a "real publication"? I just said it was an interesting perspective on the subject. But of course, that doesn't matter to you. All you wanted was some way to dismiss what was said as false. Didn't really matter how you did it. You'd rather take the easy way out and just dismiss the entire thing because it's "blog" rather than look at the arguments and think about them. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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| Blogs are merely editorials; not strictly fact. I wouldn't base an argument off an editorial, especially when it's close-minded BS. | |||
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| of course it's close-minded.... it's not your opinion
anything that you don't think is right must therefore be wrong right away. no if's and's or but's about it. and you want to deal in fact? fact: cartoons were published by a newspaper. fact: muslims burned down embassies in response to the cartoons. fact: burning down embassies as a method of protest to cartoons is stupid thank you  |
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Snow Tomato Snap Dragon  Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6317 days Last view: 6302 days |
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| Okay read it. The problem is that many Muslim's want Islamic Law within secular governments. That clearly won't happen in the Western World, although America seems to be taking steps to include Christian beliefs in it's law.. that's besides the point. Seperation of Church and State is generally accepted throughout the Western World. So, Muslim's just need to learn how to separate church and state. I'm sure most of them know this.. but of course you're only going to hear about the radicals in any situation.
I didn't like the way that article was worded. It seemed that the author assumed that all Muslims are this guy:  . And that's not true at ALL. Not by a longshot. I know alot of Muslims.. and none of them are like that guy. They're nice loving accepting people. There's always going to be a few assholes that mess things up for the group. So, I say we deal with some of the assholes. Not through war on a particular country... but through actually just sending people on the trails of terrorists. Keep it confined to finding the person and putting in in jail. (Of course holding him under Constitutional law.. allowing a fair trial and whatnot, so it doesn't get out of hand).
But yeah, point? Not all Muslim's are terrorists who burned down the embassy's. Just like how not all American's support the war in Iraq. And if you ask me... these Islamic terrorists seem very much like during and before the Revolutionary war. Beliefs and politics can drive men to do insane things. Remember that the British regarded most American's as terrorists. I'm sure that if I lived back then, I would have supported the war... but would have stayed far away from it. Like, no violence and whatnot. I'm just trying to offer a comparison that you could equate the terrorists to.. because the behavior of terrorists and revolutionaries were typically the same. Both have/had a belief that they were being opressed by outside forces.. and both lashed out against it. Technology has allowed the terrorists of our day to lash out in more extreme and, I guess effective ways. The revolutionaries had tea parties, lexington and concord.. and the killing of british tax collectors.. and the war. So yeah. Equal in their times I'd say. It's just alot scarier today because terrorists have access to so many more new materials and technology. But it's typically the same ideology. "The man is keeping us down...".... "DOWN WITH THE MAN". Type of thing. Yeah, that was a rant. But it's relevant. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree I never disputed any of those facts. I agree with that last opinion. I, however, disagree with the close-minded BS opinion that all Muslims, even moderates, are in an active war to destroy Western Civilization. That editorial was xenophobic bull shit, written to provoke ignorat hate. That is my opinion. |
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Nappy Factory Newcomer Since: 02-13-06 Last post: 6605 days Last view: 6605 days |
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| Westerners get angry at Muslims because we think they're extending their tenets ('don't draw Mohammed!') to cultures that don't care for such tenets. Yet we get our knickers in a twist because they won't accept freedom-of-speech as an excuse for drawing Mohammed (freedom of speech being very much a Western tenet that we're trying to push on them).
And don't forget that the Jyllands-Posten has quite an agressive anti-immigration stance: http://www.enar-eu.org/en/national/Denmark2004_enOK.pdf (page 40 onward). Arwon makes a good point. This isn't just a Muslim versus Westerners thing. It's a sociological phenomenon that will remain for as long as there exist humans. (edited by Nappy Factory on 02-14-06 01:33 PM) |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| http://freedomforegyptians.blogspot.com/2006/02/cartoons-were-published-five-months.html
go read! those cartoons were published in an Egyptian newspaper 5 months before they got into a danish one. Does anyone remember riots from that? |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| They were published ages ago, that's been widely reported in the media. You just needed to pay attention. | |||
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| so if they were published ages ago.... why have there been riots about them only recently?
or is it only now because a non-muslim person published the cartoons? |
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max Blipper  i'm a pixie !!! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6557 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree no i'm pretty sure the danish magazine published them first last year. sometimes it just takes a while for things to get moving. |
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