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Ryoku Tooky                   Since: 01-07-06 From: sandiego CA. Last post: 6435 days Last view: 6435 days |
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Posted on 01-19-06 08:11 PM Link | Quote | Edit | Delete Now there is something that happend on myspace people. And its kinda sorta a argument. Now I want some other sides to this. Here it is, I coppied it from myspace.Now Tredizzel is me everyone. Now who agrees with what I said(upper area) or with the other side of the argumen (lower area) theres no cause for a poll in this. Body: MUST READ THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! Ok, im gonna take this nice and slow for you. From the summary of this piece I have came to the conclusion that the author, or whoever posted it up after the author, are nothing but an STEREOTYPIC ILLOGICAL RACIST PRICK!!!!! Now this piece is refering to blacks. But yet they clearly say that the ghettos are a danger as though only blacks live in the ghetto. Now first of all to the dimwit you posted this bulletin below me, ghetto came from hitler times, when the jews had to live in a terrible terrible trashed area. So clearly there is no possible way that the ghettos are only inhabited by blacks. I'm pretty sure that all of us have been to the ghetto and agree there are more than blacks there. I've seen people from many racist. And on another note, about this whole "BET" thing. BET is authorized and owned by a white man. So to call BET a black channel, though the name may meen "BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TV" it is not by blacks. The owner of the post below me talks like they have dignity, ha, someone this stupid can't even know what the heck dignity is, they talk about racism without realizing they are commiting acts of racism in this very piece. The person should get all the facts right before posting this. All this is doing is giving one perspective, and thats of a self concoisly racial character, so all this person is doing is talking for the blacks. Now we all should know that racism thrives in pretty much every race. So who ever said that we beleive that white are the only racist. Now stop stereo typing people for other people idiotic movements or statements. Now if someone who happens to be white and is not racist, then by all meeens don't take this piece in an offensive way, cause this is not meant to "white"people, im not racist myself. I have many friends of all races. And none of them are racist. But if you are for this piece then by all meen message me about this, but be prepared for one hell of a fight, and come with some actual facts. I'm black and im proud, but I also have the dignity to respect people of all races indivisually and not as a whole group. If you are idiotic enough to try to argue against me for thisk, then well DON'T CAUSE YOU WONT FREAKING WIN. Now no matter what race you are, repost this if you agree with what ive written oh and by the way my name is tre if you want to knwo whos writing this. THE PERSON WHO WRIT OR POSTED THE PIECE BELOW IS From: "Ande" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Body: It does kinda seem that white people are the less racist of the races... You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and even "The Man" and you think it's OK. But when I call you, "nigger", "Kike", "Towelhead", "Sand-nigger", "Camel Jockey", "Beaner" or "Chink" you call me a racist. You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP. You have BET. If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists. If we had white history month, we'd be racists. If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists. In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists. You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists. You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist. I am white. I am proud. But, you call me a racist. Why is it that only whites can be racists? Repost if you agree -------------------- defeat is allways temporary said the old monkey to the chineese cow in front of the burger king down on 75th street while eating a bucket of kungpow chicken while flipping a nickel to a bum who i riding down the street on a bike while smiling to a green lady from outerspace who is heading to her boyfriends school of clowns. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| well, I agree somewhat with both people.
I think there is hypocrisy on both sides and I think both sides need to fix things. I think "black" people need to let go of the anger they have about being "held down" or whatever it is they have a problem with. And I think "white" people need to get the idea out of their heads that they are better than anyone. I know black people and white people that aren't worthy of respect any day of the week. I also know black people and white people (or know of some) that do more for other people than they do for themselves. What we need to do is stop looking at what we are losing out in being part of the race we are in, or looking at what another race might be getting and instead work together without race to build everyone up. Fighting over who gets what or who screwed who over gets people nowhere. In my opnion the fight for equal rights is over. Now is the time to live what people died to get. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| What's this "you" and "we" business? All ethnic minorities shoot and rob and carjack all whites?
Also, when someone talks about gay pride or black pride or whatever, they're almost never exp To me, "White pride" is not asserting equality or lack of shame and inferiority, but superiority, supremacy... establishing or maintaining dominion over others. You don't need to exp Boo fucking hoo, move to Zimbabwe. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Pride is for those who want to stand out and let people know they're part of a minority. Italians, Blacks, Jews, all kinds of people.
For example, Gay Pride week in Canada doesn't mean that for a week, the Gay's are superior to regular people. They want to let people know they're Gay and proud of it. I have to agree with that post, though. The whole thing about whites only being racist. It needs to stop, but it won't. There will always be the bottom of the barrel and whoever it is has to live with that. But you'd think after all our ancestors have done to the blacks and the other minorities that we should have some respect. PS: I think Toronto is now the only City in Canada where if you're white you're a minority XD |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Not yet 
By 2017 though over half the population will be Asian. Which is just fine with me 
But WHITE PRIDE is a badbadbadbdadbabdbadbabddbabad thing. White Aryan Resistance, Ku Klux Klan, Heritage Front, organizations like that make up White Pride. They draw on hatred and domination. It's being lording based on skin colour. Black pride and such is simply to show that they are not ashamed and embrace their culture. White pride has always and probably will always have more than just a minor air of supremacy. Besides..."White" is the racial concept - there is American pride, Ukrainian pride, German pride (OKTOBERFEST PEOPLE!!!!!!!!), etc. Just stick to that  |
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Silvershield   580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Originally posted by Rom ManicMy ancestors were firmly established in Italy, Ireland, England, and other European countries at the time of the greatest black oppression (that is, slavery). I'm disgusted every time someone brings up the idea of a modern race or ethnicity being entitled to some privilege or allowance, at the expense of another race or ethnicity (usually white), based on the actions of each group's ancestors. I'm white, sure, but my ancestors didn't own slaves. And, even if they did, I don't deserve to be held accountable for my great great great grandfather's evil acts any more than my black neighbor deserves reparations for the trials of his great great great grandfather. Even if my ancestor "owned" his ancestor, I would balk at the notion of being associated in any way, beyond the irremovable ties of blood and heritage, with a centuries-ago slaveowner. In any case, I'm a white person, and I'm proud of it. That doesn't mean that I belong to the local chapter of the KKK, or that I believe myself to be of some superior race. It means whatever it means when a black person says that he's proud to be black, or a homosexual says that he's proud to be gay. Not everyone (read "every white person") is a racist, so quit the witchhunt. |
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Ryoku Tooky Since: 01-07-06 From: sandiego CA. Last post: 6435 days Last view: 6435 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic Now what the heck do you meen by "boo fucking hoo move back to zimbabwe" I would like you to not say such a fuckin stupid comment. Now I would have to agree with others who say that both sides show sighns of stupidity. We need to think of them more of just idiotic people, rather than idiotic races. |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Yo, guy with too many X's in his name. Remember to actually quote the correct person in the future, it was Arwon that told you to move to a small African country, not Rom Maniac. =/
I find this whole argument to be petty and ridiculous, to be quite honest... time to argue against various points in the second part of the original post... "You have the United Negro College Fund." Majority vs. Minority; non-specific funds will benefit the majority more than the minority due to simple math, not to mention the fact that some minority families very likely still fear discrimination, so the minority sets up a specific fund to help themselves out. "You have Martin Luther King Day." And we have Presidents' Day. Name one black president. Believe it or not, this is quite relevant; Martin Luther King Day is celebrated not because he was black, but because of what he did for the country. This would be quite similar to the purpose behind Presidents' Day, wouldn't it? Celebrating what specific people have done for the USA? "You have Black History Month." Not to sound demeaning, but does anyone even care about these 'months' at any time when it isn't usable in an argument or something that for whatever reason they have personal ties to - example: a relative or friend that died of or currently has breast cancer might make someone care more about Breast Cancer Awareness Month, but how many people other than that? I've never once seen anyone refer to such a month in casual discussion unless it helped back their opinion... "You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi" Who, what, and huh? Admittedly, my lack of knowledge of Cesar Chavez could be an unusual rarity, since I know I've heard the name before (other than on a Simpsons episode) so for all I know he might be pretty well-known, but the other two? No idea. "You have the NAACP." Basically, see my comments on the United Negro College Fund. They apply here rather well. "You have BET." BET is a television station, a business. There is money in making a television station that specifically caters to a minority, since the other stations are more likely to be of more interest to the majority (or seen as such). They go for the money, who are you to complain about what businessmen legally and, as far as I know, ethically do in their pursuit of money, in running a business properly? So, I suppose that would mean I agree with you on this matter... I just wanted to go into a bit more detail. (edited by Cheveyo Chowilawu on 01-20-06 10:23 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| You quoted the wrong person, then misquoted my post anyway, xxwhateverxx. Well done, son. Kinda blunts any accusations you make about my alleged lack of intellegence.
And for the record, I mean move to Zimbabwe if you wanna experience white "oppression" because it simply does not fucking exist in the Western world, and anyone who believes otherwise has a pretty tenuous grasp on reality, and on the workings of society. --- Just spotted another bit of idiocy in that quote: "You have Cesar Chavez Day You have Yom Hashoah You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi" Uh. Racially, Chicanos, Ashkenazi Jews and Arabs are ALL FUCKING WHITE. They're all caucasians. --- Chevey: Cesar Chavez organised Chicano (Mexican-American, usually 1st or 2nd generation I think) farm labor in California, founded what later became United Farm Workers, and was generally a hero of workers rights. California has a state holiday for him, Texas later adopted it too. Probably the only labor leader to have a holiday in Americaland. In my experience in California, different school districts have off for different days... where I lived had Colombus Day off, but down the road in Imperial Beach in a majority latino area, they had Cesar Chavez Day off instead and didn't have Colombus Day. Whoever wrote this is most likely a Californian, probably some angry suburbanite kid in a mostly white suburban area. There's been a worrying increase in White Power presence in such areas... East County San Diego, for example. Oh and the other two are Holocaust Rememberence Day (DING DING DING, that should ring some bells about the dude who wrote this) and Mohammed's Birthday. (edited by Arwon on 01-20-06 10:24 PM) (edited by Arwon on 01-20-06 10:34 PM) |
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Ryoku Tooky Since: 01-07-06 From: sandiego CA. Last post: 6435 days Last view: 6435 days |
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| I sincerely apologize for the mis-quote, but the fact that I was trying to get around, was that sounded really offensive.
And for people who think that this argument is pretty ridiculous, all i'm trying to see is how much self concious racial characters society has. I never really thought people would try to argue something so stupid(the original post). As many have already said, almost all the facts they try to include to help there side of the argument, are firmly opinion, and are strictly one sided. I happen to be very interested with the racial mentality of many races, which is why I posted this. And when I say racial mentality I meen how, when you take one black man, and stick him in a room of all white people, the black man will fill very uncomfortable(in many cirumstances). Or vise versa. Many people have racial mentaliy's. Just like how many blacks make front of the culture, and way white people live, or talk. In almost all the black comedians I have heard they have many racial jokes. And all they are just doing is projecting many black people's mentality. It truly disgust me. =( |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I think you're confusing race, ethnicity, socioeconomic status and culture, you seem to be using them interchangably.
See, the feeling you're describing, feeling out of place among certain groups of people, is hardly limited to skin colour. I feel really out of place and uncomfortable and self-aware among people from Western Sydney, so called "bogans", because they are culturally quite different from me. I have friends who feel quite uncomfortable around goths and indie kids, cos it ain't their crowd, etc etc. Likewise, there'd be plenty of circumstances where the fact that you're surrounded by people of other ethnicities/races isn't even an issue because it's backgrounded by other connections. Being the only white kid on a football team, for example, is no big deal... the common ground of being on the same team will pretty thoroughly erase any feelings of outsiderness. Overall, what you're describing is essentially the social anxiety and edginess and self-awareness of being around strangers. When you don't know people, you notice the obvious characteristics, be that their skin colour, ethnicity, cultural allegiences, socioeconomic status, etc. If these don't gel with yours, you tend to get uncomfortable. There's nothing especially different just because ethnicity/race is involved. As for the humour thing. Meh. People have different tastes, and nothing is sacred in humour. See also: Dead baby jokes. |
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Ryoku Tooky Since: 01-07-06 From: sandiego CA. Last post: 6435 days Last view: 6435 days |
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| I totaly agree with you.
But what i'm trying to say is, there is still a vast majority racial groupings, in many areas. Now what you are saying, makes much sence, but we can't get around that there are still many with racial mentalities. It's not the only reason why, I mean I have a lot of white friends, and when I am the only black guy in the group, I don't feel uncomfortable at all. |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| I dont consider myself to be a racist person, I dont belong to any hate groups or anything like that, but sometimes i can see how people can become racist. When i was younger i was in a lot of trouble, and i had to live in a lot of terrible places. In some of these places you'd find black gangs, and at least 85% of the black people there were involved. They'd primarily target young, weak, or isolated non-black people, who they would beat the shit out of, take everything they owned and sometimes even rape them. It does'nt take long in such an environment to get real suspicious of blacks, even to dislike them, many whites in these places join up with a white power group as a simple survival technique. So i can understand how, if this was a persons only exposure to blacks, that they could come to be racist. Luckily for me i met some black people later in life who were really nice and not like that at all, so i dont think that way. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Jomb: Why then, are white power groups generally strongest in predominantly white, fringe suburban areas? | |||
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon Wait, those still exist? And I was under the impression that the NAACP was actually becoming archaic and not so much assisting the minority as it was hindering it nowadays... |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Racism is a very stupid thing, it'll start to disappear if T.V. didn't keep bringing it back up. Really it'd be better if the media ignored racism cases where it really wasn't racist, they're just making a fuss.
Seriously, T.V. made me watch my mouth around black people for a while, now I don't give a fuck at all. Now if some "gangsta" came up to me and started saying a bunch of shit, I'd probably be watching my mouth more because my mind would be going "what is this guy saying...?" |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| I dont know nothing about white power groups in predominantly white neighborhoods, i never had contact with any of them. But i know from bitter experience that white power is alive and well within the justice system, and under those circumstances it just about has to be, because when it comes down to life or death you cant pretend to be blind to the facts that those black guys in those gangs are out to get you and the aryan nation really can protect you from them. At one time i thought, like most of you do, that a white power group is a sick thing and completely despicable, but i'll be damned if when i was getting my nose broke by a gang of crips or whatever the hell they want to call themselves, it was'nt some dudes from the aryan nation who stepped up and helped me. Despite all that i dont really agree with them on most issues, but i dont really despise them like i used to either. I can see where they're coming from now. | |||
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Originally posted by Dracoon Go back and study the 1920s. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| 1920s was just the immigration increase and the start, or the rapid growth, of the Ku Klux Klan.
I don't see how that has to deal with media imposing racism. |
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Ryoku Tooky Since: 01-07-06 From: sandiego CA. Last post: 6435 days Last view: 6435 days |
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Originally posted by Jomb I agreee with you on this, except for the fact that it's not only blacks who are in gangs. I meen yah media and pretty much everything else makes it seem like a vast majority of gang memebers are black, but there are equally other races involved in such acts. |
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