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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - ROM Hacking - "Hack" - What's in a Name? |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828                    Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6284 days |
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| There's no need for a different word for those who do more advanced hacking. If you're that great, people will know by your name alone.
Also, I do sometimes call it modding when talking to people who I know will assume hacking refers to breaking into someone's computer and blowing it up.  |
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Apophis Ropa  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6283 days Last view: 6283 days |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker Unless you're me. My hard drives tend to die before I can release my work  |
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Heian-794 Red Paratroopa Since: 01-02-06 Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6318 days |
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| People won't get "modding" (=modification, of games) confused with "modding" (=moderation, of posts); they're two different words and apply to two different things. | |||
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6284 days |
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| It's a matter of context. If you say "game modding" it should be fairly obvious.
Apofisu: Make frequent backups and buy better hard drives.  |
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Apophis Ropa Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6283 days Last view: 6283 days |
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| I do now... stupid laptop. | |||
QBRADQ Goomba Since: 01-18-06 From: Eastern Oklahoma Last post: 6634 days Last view: 6634 days |
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| All very relevant questions, not just to the ROM hacking / modding / f'ing-with community, but to the IT community as a whole. For instance, a friend of mine describes himself as a hacker, yet he has never used a hex editor (calls it archaic (however you spell that fancy word for old and outdated)), programs in Visual Basic (of all disgusting things, if you can even call that programming (I call it scripting)), and struggles with C++ (like it's that hard).
Even more wide-spread is the usage of deriviatve forms of the word, such as hacking. As in "He's really hacking away at that router", or "I hacked my Counter Strike so that all my enimies are birght red (When I did that, I called it cheating  )".
Am I a hacker because I reverse-engineer NES ROM dumps (for the past week I might add, I'm new to this)? Am I a hacker because I use nested parenthasise in forum posts? Am I a hacker because I misspell every other word, have issues with my mother, drink a butt-load of Dr. Pepper, and can quote Star Trek: The Next Generation episode numbers and titles from memory? Or am I not a hacker because I keep long-lasting and loving social relationships? In 1981, a Hacker was a distinguished human-being, one worth capitolizing his referance title even. In 1981, a Hacker was that guy that was always poking around in your companies main-frame, talking with his (few) friends about 0E something-or-another, and toggleing-in opperatinoal base-systems (now called Opperating Systems) at the control console from memory. Then, in the mid-80's, a Hacker became that guy on the evening news that got busted stealing millions of dollars from a bank and going to jail for a long time. Then, even stranger, in the early 90's a hacker (notice the lack of capitolization) became that guy on the evening news who crashed a bunch of computer systems. Then in the mid-90's, the entire paradigm was shiffted, the box became many, and the suits prevailed (I'm making fun of managment terms by the way, f'ing little... yea, it's a public forum, so...). (h)ackers became crackers, crackers became white males, people that new what the hell was going became "IT Professionals", and hackers were again elite people, but now they wore funny hats like Carmen San Deago. Ahh, the late 90's. .COM stocks crashed like the Hindenburg, more CEOs committed suicide than Nazi officers durring the Nuriburge trials, and tech intersets when into a recesion unheard of since "The Grapes of Wrath". Crackers became people that made pirate copies of video games, white males were once again refered to as honkies, twelve-year-olds t@!k1nG l!3k tH!3 asking you're ASL in a Yahoo chat room became 1337 hackers (who never once attended a 2600 meeting, like that makes a differance anyway), and people that knew what the hell was going on became "Computer Terroists". Now, a Hacker is a poser, someone trying to get attention by calling himself a criminal. There are still those from the old-school that admit to being a hacker, but rarely will they boast of this fact in public. People that know what the hell is going on are call "People that know what the hell is going on", people that can barley alter the IP tables on a Windows server are called "Network Administrators", people that use Linux are call "That odd kid in the back", and anyone that can alter a program with nothing but a hex editor are called "smart". So, am I a hacker? HELL NO! Am I a programmer? No. I'm just a guy, a 22-year-old kid trying to make a living. I administer Windows servers, and they call me a "Network Technician". I alter NES programs with a debuger and a hex editor, and I'm call a "Nerd". I write C++ programs on the Windows platform, and people have the audacity to call me a "Programmer" or "Coder". I'm just a lucky guy. I know who I am, what I do, and where I stand. I am Q damn it! And not that shit from Star Trek! I administer Windows for a living (like that's hard). I review hex dumps and play NES games and Call of Duty 2 for entertainment. And finaly, when I hack into SMB1 and show my loving girl friend how to alter a level's data, I'm "The greatest geek-man on Earth" I am Brad. I do stuff, and this stuff might envolve hacking. But I am not a hacker, I am Brad, or Q if you don't know me in real life. Umm, OK, so I am bored. Here's the only opinion I have on the subject: Using SMB Utility to change the levels of SMB1 (no matter what you do with it, as long as you only use SMB Utility) you're a modder. That's right, just like those guys that make the AWP in Counter Strike do even more damage, or make a Quake 3 MOD where every hit is an insta-gib. You are a pansy in the overall scheme, though we may enjoy you're work. Those that are elite, and deserve to be called a hacker, are either so odvious to "Those that know what the hell is going on" that they need no title, or secretive to the point that you'd never know who they are. Then again, that's just my two coins. QBRADQ |
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Imajin Bot Local Moderator Currently affected by 'No syndrome' ---!!!  Since: 12-05-05 From: Camineet, Palm Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6284 days |
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| [QUOTE]Umm, OK, so I am bored. Here's the only opinion I have on the subject: Using SMB Utility to change the levels of SMB1 (no matter what you do with it, as long as you only use SMB Utility) you're a modder. That's right, just like those guys that make the AWP in Counter Strike do even more damage, or make a Quake 3 MOD where every hit is an insta-gib. You are a pansy in the overall scheme, though we may enjoy you're work. [/QUOTE]
More elitism, I see. Why should someone who just wants to make new SMB1 levels need to learn to use a hex editor and all that simply to avoid being a "pansy" in the eyes of people like you? "Only using an editor" is not equal to "idiot". [QUOTE]It's a matter of context. If you say "game modding" it should be fairly obvious. [/QUOTE] And if you say ROM Hacking, it should be fairly obvious... |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6284 days |
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But then how do we know ROM refers to a game ROM dump and not some other nonvolatile storage? Or maybe the Royal Ontario Museum?
Originally posted by QBRADQThat's it. We'll call it ROM-Fucking-With.  |
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QBRADQ Goomba Since: 01-18-06 From: Eastern Oklahoma Last post: 6634 days Last view: 6634 days |
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| Yea, so pansy was the wrong word. Basicaly I was trying to say that by using an editor, a person is mearly using the knowlage of the rom that someone else has packaged into a nice GUI. That person is not, however, learning anything about the underlining process.
Someone who gains the knowlage required to actualy do these things is doing something more significat. However, unless that person shares said knowlage with the community, they contribute nothing, and are themselves insignificat. Finaly, just because you change a ROM with a hex editor doesn't mean your changes are any good. And on the other side of that coin, just because you used a game editor and are ignorate on the underlying process, doesn't mean your work is bad. Really what I was getting at with that whole long post was that the elite never say they are, and that most of the elitists are little whiny bitches. The ignorant may contribute to the masses, and thier work may well be enjoyable. The fact that they are ignorant does not detract from thier work. However, the truly elite contribute to not only the masses, but to the ignorant as well, by making thier work posible. Anyway, I don't really care what you call it. Modifing any software through any means that was never intended to be altered by a third party is hacking I suppose. I just think modding is a more fair term to use for those who use pre-made applications alone to change the game (more fair to both the person who made the application, and to the person doing the modding). So, like I said before, I may be hacking SMB1 at the moment, but I'm no hacker. Not only am I not on par with those origional Hackers in terms of skill or understanding, I also have no desire to attract that kind of attention to myself. I get credit for my work, but it comes in the form of my friends and family enjoying my efforts, not from posturing to a bunch of people online. That being said, I like you guys and appreciate your comments, suggestions, and help. QBRADQ |
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Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice!  Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6283 days |
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| I read your post Q, I think you summed it up quite well.
By that definition though, I still can't decide what the hell I am, whiny or some elite dude. Probably neither- I mainly use LM, and my forays with a hex editor were mainly for small hacks... so far. |
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