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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - Couldn't pull the plug on a vegetable, but... |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES                   Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Here you go
I just find this...slightly disgusting. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.   Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| I find it more than slightly disgusting. That is just wrong. What the hell, really, I thought doctors weren't able to turn people away. Fucking bullshit laws. Not saying all are bad, but this is horrible. I didn't like Bush, but now I dispise him.
When someone's brain is still working and they want one damn final request, they sure as hell better not take someone off of it. Could you imagine how horrible those last minutes of her life were? Knowing that she would never see her mom, that her last request was denied? ... |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| ...this is why I love socialism. You don't have a insurance to be treated correctly at a hospital, and our hospitals are compared to many of the private hospitals over in US.
That family needs to get a good lawyer, then sue the crap of that hospital. US style. |
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Crashman Grizzo  Since: 12-26-05 From: Maine Last post: 6331 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| And here I wasn't sure that my fellow Americans could once again sink to a new low. Good to know that I was wrong, and my natural cynacism in humanity as a whole was not misplaced. | |||
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netscape Grizzo Since: 12-30-05 Last post: 6324 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| wtf?
I was looking all over the site to see if it was a sick joke. What kind of cold blooded person would do that? May those responsable spend everynight awake thinking about her last 15 minutes. |
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Metal Knuckles Tendoru  Since: 12-21-05 From: New Hampshire Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Originally posted by netscape Well, I imaine that the sick, cold blooded person responsible for this law would be the one who passed it. And in no way can anyone defend against that point. Giving a law that states that doctors can take life support away from brain dead patients is one thing. Taking it from conscious people, those who are able to actually communicate even, and based alone on a doctors desicion, is just wrong. You hear all the controversy about how people aren't allowed to take their own lives when in pain, yet we have this state saying that while the patient can't descide their time, the doctors can. Based on money. At the very least, family consent, or even more importantly, the patients consent should be given to the doctor before they make the desiscion. This isn't a mercy killing on behalf of the doctor who makes the desiscion. If it's against the wishes of the victim, it's not mercy, is it. The death penalty in Texas is already high (something to do with "Texas Justice" or some other bullshit like that). Yet amazingly enough, they still neglect to add the numbers from beind the curtains like this. Bush made a big deal about the Terry Schaivo case, and after he made this law none the less. Because that's where he saw the majority swaying to. And making desiscions on whether people live or not based on the political view is wrong. Like it or not, Bush might be the very evil he always rants on waging a war with. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| well, I'll play the devil's advocate and ask:
"who do you all think should pay for this person to stay alive if her own family can't afford it?" (now remember, this is just a question to add to the debate.... it doesn't mean I'm for killing people) |
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netscape Grizzo Since: 12-30-05 Last post: 6324 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| "eh no money?" *yank*
Government, charity, hospital... does it matter? Texas law allowed some cold blooded accountant to pull the plug. This amoung other things is why we need universal health care. Bush I don't hold responsable becouse I don't think he has the intellegence to understand the ramafications of his actions. However anyone who votes for him shares responsability for his actions. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| shares responsibility? [laugh] you're condemning a lot of people with that statement. So everyone that votes in an election is responsible for the actions of the leader they vote for? that makes no sense. We aren't making his choices for him. He's doing what he's doing. Democracy allows the people to pick who they want. The people picked Bush. Guess what, you're stuck with him. You'd be singing a different tune if Kerry had been elected and then did something like this. You'd definitely not be saying that we all share responsibility then.
and yes it does matter who pays the bill. this woman didn't have the money to be kept alive and no one would pay to keep her alive. She was dying. As in no hope of survival. According to that article that is part of the decision. Further treatment is hopeless. So instead of prolonging this woman's suffering and the suffering of the family/friends they put her to rest. You can all call it murder. I call it mercy. (edited by geeogree on 01-04-06 11:47 AM) |
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netscape Grizzo Since: 12-30-05 Last post: 6324 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| They killed someone who wanted to live. Murder.
Put yourself in her place. You're telling me you'd find it mercey when some cold blooded accountant told you he was gonna have the plug pulled before you could see your mother one last time? This was faluire of society to have the proper saftey nets. Where they come from is another issue. g'day troll |
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Trapster King Dedede Since: 11-19-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6402 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| "In the latest case to escape the Culture of Life warriors, Tirhas Habtegiris, a young woman and legal immigrant from Africa, was CONSCIOUS and responsive when removed from a respirator and allowed to die.
* YucatanMan's diary :: :: * Let me rephrase that: She was killed by doctors who removed the ventilator keeping her alive. And this action was fully legal under Bush's "economic considerations" law. Her body was ravaged by cancer, but she was alert. She was responsive." Err, wtf? I guess they´re not familiar with what you call murder and what you don´t. 
"That family needs to get a good lawyer, then sue the crap of that hospital. US style." They better win too. |
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firemaker Cheep-cheep Since: 12-13-05 From: Somewhere in a place called Berkshire Last post: 6373 days Last view: 6373 days |
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| That is sick and demented. The doctors basically commited murder. If she was brain dead I could sympaphise just a tiny bit but she was concious. They should not only be sued but sued well. 2 mil at least. | |||
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Geeogree: We, the American Citizens, pay so much to the government, to health care, to everything, that it wouldn't have seemed like a single molecule of water into the bucket to keep her alive till her mother got there.
Her last wish was to die with her mother there, not to live forever. They could have kept her alive for that much longer, they could've done it and probably wrote it down when taxes come around. Who's going to pay for it? The State of Texas or the USA, or more specifically, the citizens of these places. She might not have had insurance, but what about well-fare? What about all the extra things? Did they give time for a charity to raise money? No, ten days isn't enough time. Yeah, someone did have to ask though, you're right, if we all agreed, it would be a pointless thread. |
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jeff Double metal axe  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| "So everyone that votes in an election is responsible for the actions of the leader they vote for? that makes no sense."
um... that is kind of the point, assuming they get in office. (edited by mistah j on 01-04-06 05:28 PM) |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| So everyone who voted for Bush back in 2000 is responsible for the war in Iraq?
By that logic... |
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Imajin Bot Local Moderator Currently affected by 'No syndrome' ---!!!  Since: 12-05-05 From: Camineet, Palm Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Well, electing someone generally means you support that person. | |||
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| So, what about that other half of the American population? | |||
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jeff Double metal axe Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Originally posted by Tamarin Calanis uhm.. duh? he wouldn't be in office if they didn't vote for him... this is basic shit. |
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netscape Grizzo Since: 12-30-05 Last post: 6324 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| Nah since the Iraqi war wasn't predictable in 2000. Look if that responsablity comment distracts from the issue I withdraw it.
The issue is a concious woman was killed/murdered for lack of insurance, and got zero protection from the state\society and virtually zero coverage from the media. Screw who's responsable, we as country need to worry about fixing it so it don't happen again. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6336 days Last view: 6336 days |
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Originally posted by Ailura Long live the socialist revolution! |
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