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Posted on 12-31-05 02:06 PM Link | Quote
Well someone very close to me failed at attempting suicide, and after she initially did it before her hospital visit... she just wanted to live very very badly. It's a basic human instinct to survive, to live.. to see another day. You might think you want to kill yourself, but when you're almost there... I don't think anyone at the bottom of their soul really wants to die. They just want to feel loved. If you stick around long enough, it just might happen.

Clinical depression, I know that. If it's a chemical imbalance, more likely than not, it can be treated. But what I've noticed, is that alot of people don't like to admit that they have a problem. They deal with mental disorders as something that's "too messy" to deal with. My close friend didn't want to get help, and still hasn't.

I think that if they take a step back to look at the big picture, suicide isn't the only answer. Suicide I think is an equation of loneliness, being bored with the life you lead and meaninglessness. I think if the person stepped back and examined these three things, and changed any one of them... the other two would follow suit.

But alot of people, not just suicidal ones.. don't really step back and take a look at the big picture. When you die you only have your soul. And if we do live on at the end of life, then just stick it out here on earth and see where it takes you. Suicide is not the only answer.
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Posted on 12-31-05 02:23 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tarale
I still think you guys are missing the point I made about suicide being a (very serious) symptom of Depression.

Now, Depression comes with a bunch of fairly serious cognitive distortions (aka false or irrational ways of thinking). What distortions you happen to get if you get Depression are pretty unique to you. BUT what they will pretty universally do is warp your thinking to the point where...

* if you're told that people care about you, you won't believe them, or you'll demand to know why.
-- and if you're told why you'll shoot down every reason that is given
* if you're told that there are things to live for, you'll shoot down every reason given
* if they're told that they'll hurt people by killing themselves, they'll counter that nobody cares
etc etc etc.

The problem with cognitive distortions is that if you're affected, your "truths" are completely and utterly different from somebody without that distortion. It may become an "unquestionable truth" that you're a "useless human being" due to a cognitive distortion.

The people who are considering suicide most likely are not rational. And that's where this seems to get all fucked up -- from the outside, you guys give a bunch of rational reasons why they shouldn't or are fucked up or whatever for doing it. But in that person's head, they are NOT THINKING RATIONALLY.

Depression fucks with your head. It fucks with the way you think, it warps the way you think so that you think things that you wouldn't normally think. I gave one example before with the burden thing, but that's only ONE example of what cognitive distortion will do to you.

What ticks me off about this thread is that people keep placing rational qualifiers to people who commit Suicide as if it was a rational act. IT'S NOT.

It is, as I stated before, a symptom of clinical Depression. And the sooner people understand that, and understand Clincal Depression, the sooner people can HELP others with this, and maybe even PREVENT suicides.



For fuck's sake.
I didn't miss your point. I myself suffer from bipolar depression.
Maybe I'm not the best person to talk about suicide. (even though I never thought about doing it) I just don't see suicide only as symptom on Depression.
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Posted on 01-01-06 01:42 AM Link | Quote
Well I know that depression changes the facts a bit.. I was typically speaking in terms of no mental problems, big or small, to interfere. I know that if that's the case, then the person may feel like they want suicide when they really don't. =\
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Posted on 01-01-06 02:51 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by w234ong
I didn't miss your point. I myself suffer from bipolar depression.
Maybe I'm not the best person to talk about suicide. (even though I never thought about doing it) I just don't see suicide only as symptom on Depression.


I wasn't referring specifically to you (re missing points); and yes I am aware that other mental illnessses can be a cause for this too; but Unipolar Depression is what it's most commonly attributed to. I think I mentioned other mental illnesses in my first post but I was very drunk when I wrote the last one and made some omissions.

I suffer from Unipolar Depression also so it's easier to speak from my point of view.

For the record, I've had suicidal thoughts and been in a suicidal state. I can tell you now, once you kinda "come to your senses" afterwards, and remember being in that state, it is FUCKING SCARY. Particularly for the loss of control you have in that state. I can't imagine anybody in their sane mind could want to do that!!
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Posted on 01-03-06 03:58 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Danielle
But most people who commit suicide don't WANT to die.


What is that supposed to mean. I think it's a little odd about that.

My example is this, If I want to commit suicide for all the bad things I done in the past then you're already dead. You cant obiously reverse the changes.

What about the Suicide Bombers like on the 9/11 attack in my hometown (Not the Bronx) destroying the 2 twin towers. I get what you're saying so far. I know some people in the 9/11 attack have no choice but to commit suicide but don't want to die. Some people are fighting for the loved ones they see. It is very possible if you live a little bit longer if decide not to be dead.

(edited by insectduel on 01-03-06 02:59 PM)
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