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Wurl                   Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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No, I'm not killing myself....for now. However, I would like to get opinions on suicide. Some see at as a waste of life. Others, like badass samurai (below), see it ass kickass and honorable.
For me it depends on the situation. If it's just being a whiny Emo bitch (which I am being lately), then suicide is stupid. Discuss your opinions~ (edited by Wurl on 12-29-05 11:02 PM) |
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Danielle     6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE    Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Quite a morbid topic for me.
I lost a very very good friend of mine to suicide a few years ago.. since that event, I've had a very negative attitude to it. I don't really remember how I felt before my friend's death. There are no real reasons that make it okay to take your life. People try to justify suicide because "they have too much pain" but come on... people can be as happy as they let themselves be. If you hate living an unhappy, seemingly worthless life, then do something about it to make it better. Some people justify it by using someone else's death as a reason. They can't handle it or something like that. But what a horrible thing.. (not to push religion or belief, this is just the way I look at it) how would that person feel looking down on you in heaven, knowing that their death not only killed them, but killed you too? It's not right. There's ALWAYS something worth living for. What I hear most frequently is "nobody would care if I was gone." That statement baffles me. If only the people who feel that way would open their eyes and see all the people around them that care. Family, friends, schoolmates, neighbors, even that friendly waiter at the local Denny's that has had a few conversations with you. People that consider suicide as an answer to problems in life that THEY CONTROL... it disgusts me. I need to stop now. Oh and regarding the samurai... whatever. They're taught that it's something of an honor, what can I do about it?  |
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Originally posted by DanielleNo one control their lives, Dani. You seem to think that EVERYONE got family, friends, etc, something to live for. It's not like that. Some people are just alone in the world. If someone wants to suicide, the stupidiest thing to do is NOT ALLOW that person to do so. I mean, if people control their lives, Dani, why can't they simply end it? I still think one should have total control over his/her own body. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| What a lot of people don't realise is -- Suicide, more often than not is a symptom of a larger disease -- often Depression. (in the Clinical sense, not a case of the sads...)
A lot of people think that Suicide is a selfish act as well; but that isn't always the case either -- although it's certainly how it appears from the outside. Many people who are considering suicide feel that their death would benefit other people, because then they would no longer be burdening their loved ones. They may feel that they are an emotional burden, and Depression can get to the point where the Depressed person is dependent upon others. They may not be able to contribute financially, work, help around the house, etc. This only serves to compound the feelings that they are a burden. This would technically make their motivations not selfish but altruistically motivated. Misguided.... but still... Now, I am not condoning suicide, but I think that there needs to be a better understanding of it. I think it needs to be better understood that it's usually a symptom of Depression. I think people need to make efforts to better understand Depression, and how to recognise and help people with it. I think people need to stop thinking that just because you can't see an illness that somebody has that it doesn't exist, or is "made up". I also think that people need to stop seeing people with Depression (or any mental illness) as "crazy". I think if people were more aware of, and better with helping people with Depression then maybe there wouldn't be so much Suicide. |
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jeff Double metal axe  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by w234ong QFT but tarale is right as well.. basically everyone who speaks out about suicide doesn't know shit about it. they just go and say "lol what a selfish fag". seriously man... it must take some balls to kill yourself. and i don't mean penis balls i mean courage balls. |
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by mcwOriginally posted by w234ong Isn't suicide technically a form of murder? |
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Danielle 6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Having the guts to kill yourself isn't something anyone should be proud of. But that's just my opinion. | |||
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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| My saying that you're emasculating trillions of badass samurai, which is BS because samurai have the biggest balls (in a physical and figuritive sense) of anything ever.
Seriously, I wouldn't do it, but I can understand the logic behind it. |
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Deleted User Banned Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Wurl I thought tanuki had the biggest balls. Or was it whales? |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by ThayerOriginally posted by Wurl 
As for whether it takes courage to kill yourself or not... well, I don't know, but I do know that even with Depression, people only get to that point because they feel there are literally no other options. |
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firemaker Cheep-cheep Since: 12-13-05 From: Somewhere in a place called Berkshire Last post: 6374 days Last view: 6374 days |
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| Well I always thought that suicide was stupid. Happiness in life is what you make of it. With every cloud comes a silver lining. You've just got to find it. Anyway life is to good to get rid of. The saddest thing about it though is that those who attempt suicide and fail usally find themselves really wanting to live and regret even trying to. | |||
Tzepish UFO Since: 11-21-05 From: Redmond, WA Last post: 6353 days Last view: 6353 days |
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| My philosophy toward suicide has changed somewhat recently. I used to believe people should have the right to end their life whenever they want to, because heck, it's their life. But, now I'm pretty sure I was wrong about that, because it isn't just their life. That is, I cannot commit suicide, for example, because my life doesn't belong to just me, it belongs to all my family and friends as well. Even if I were miserable and truly believed I had to reason to want to go on, I couldn't take my life away from my friends, it's just be a jackass thing to do, regardless of how miserable I was.
As for samurai, honor is extremely important to me, and it's not difficult for me to imagine suicide as an honorable thing to do if you have been dishonorable/dishonored. When I quit my job about a year ago, without a backup job in place, I felt that I had dishonored my roommates, and so I vowed not to eat anything I couldn't personally afford (that is, don't eat anything I didn't buy, don't allow others to buy me food) until I got another job. I ended up eating a lot of ramen, and then a lot of nothing, but I felt it was something I had to do. If the dishonor is great enough, suicide as an honorable thing is something I can agree with entirely. |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| It's a waste unless you have an uncurable disease and you want to avoid a slow and painful death. It would also be alright if your sacrifice benefitted an unselfish purpose. | |||
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Danielle 6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I don't really think that's suicide though. Is putting your dog to sleep murder, if they can't walk and never eat and are generally near death anyway? | |||
Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Would only be ok in two cases.
1. The American doom movie way, aka sacrificing yourself for saving humanity or something... (see, Indepdance day, Armageddon) 2. You have a uncurable diseas, lies dying in a bed with major pain. Other than that, there is no reason to do suicide. Myself have never thought on suicide, since i'm highly afraid of death. I want to avoid it at all costs. |
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Trapster King Dedede Since: 11-19-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6404 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| "What I hear most frequently is "nobody would care if I was gone." That statement baffles me. If only the people who feel that way would open their eyes and see all the people around them that care. Family, friends, schoolmates, neighbors, even that friendly waiter at the local Denny's that has had a few conversations with you."
I knew Iīd see that in this thread and Iīm with Danielle on this one. Even if you think that people doesnīt care about you, they still do. They might not say it but they do care about you. I donīt think suicide is a good thing because itīll only cause pain to the ones who cares about you. Itīs okay in those cases Ailure mentioned, though. "But what a horrible thing.. (not to push religion or belief, this is just the way I look at it) how would that person feel looking down on you in heaven, knowing that their death not only killed them, but killed you too? It's not right. There's ALWAYS something worth living for." This woman speaks the truth. Iīve been severely depressed myself and have thought of commiting suicide but I never did it. I wouldnīt do it. It was just a thought I had at that moment. I donīt think you should do it. And I donīt think suicide is a good thing. |
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Deleted User Banned Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6296 days |
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| Not everyone got people who care about them. It's that simple.
Ran-chan said it'd only cause pain to those who care about you. But think of it: If they really care about you, wouldn't they let you die if you want to? Wouldn't it be sad to live because others want you to and not because YOU want to? It'd be selfish to not let someone suicide simply because you don't want him/her to die. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I still think you guys are missing the point I made about suicide being a (very serious) symptom of Depression.
Now, Depression comes with a bunch of fairly serious cognitive distortions (aka false or irrational ways of thinking). What distortions you happen to get if you get Depression are pretty unique to you. BUT what they will pretty universally do is warp your thinking to the point where... * if you're told that people care about you, you won't believe them, or you'll demand to know why. -- and if you're told why you'll shoot down every reason that is given * if you're told that there are things to live for, you'll shoot down every reason given * if they're told that they'll hurt people by killing themselves, they'll counter that nobody cares etc etc etc. The problem with cognitive distortions is that if you're affected, your "truths" are completely and utterly different from somebody without that distortion. It may become an "unquestionable truth" that you're a "useless human being" due to a cognitive distortion. The people who are considering suicide most likely are not rational. And that's where this seems to get all fucked up -- from the outside, you guys give a bunch of rational reasons why they shouldn't or are fucked up or whatever for doing it. But in that person's head, they are NOT THINKING RATIONALLY. Depression fucks with your head. It fucks with the way you think, it warps the way you think so that you think things that you wouldn't normally think. I gave one example before with the burden thing, but that's only ONE example of what cognitive distortion will do to you. What ticks me off about this thread is that people keep placing rational qualifiers to people who commit Suicide as if it was a rational act. IT'S NOT. It is, as I stated before, a symptom of clinical Depression. And the sooner people understand that, and understand Clincal Depression, the sooner people can HELP others with this, and maybe even PREVENT suicides. 
For fuck's sake. (edited by Tarale on 12-31-05 12:47 PM) |
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Danielle 6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| But most people who commit suicide don't WANT to die. They just think it's their only resort. If it's something that other people have stated, such as living in a hospital bed or something, that's a different story. But.. if that isn't the case, I don't think anyone wants to die.
And I very much disagree with your point. Everyone has somebody. It doesn't have to be family, it can be ANYONE. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Danielle But not everybody realises that, particularly if they have Depression and the related cognitive distortions. It's easy to see that you have family or whatever, and think "no, I can't bother them with my problem". It's easy to write off people you know as a potential source of help, or to assume that they don't care. So even though everybody has somebody; they might not know that until the fact is forced upon them. And there ARE people who literally have "nobody", or at least nobody who cares enough. I don't think that so many of the homeless people I see would be in that position if they had people who cared enough about them to help out. |
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