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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - G. Bush Jr. Pulled a Nixon: Does anyone care? |
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emcee Red Super Koopa                 Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree The Patriot Act isn't quite as powerful as its been made out be (there's a fairly unbiased article about it over on Wikipedia), I was going to post more about the limitation of it in the thread I made about renewing it but no one ever replied (actually my last post in that thread was about this topic). The Patriot Act still requires a warrant for wiretap, but in situations where it is considered an emergency, the warrent can be issue after the tap has been done. In this case there were no warrants at all. (edited by emcee on 12-27-05 10:06 PM) (edited by emcee on 12-27-05 10:07 PM) |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep    Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| fair enough.... I really wasn't sure so I figured it might be possible that that may apply | |||
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| *raises hand*
Nobody's cited ANYTHING today... |
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero  Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Yeah, I was going to say that too. Could I get an article link over here? | |||
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| It was a pretty big story a few weeks back, I guess the original poster assumed everyone knew the details.
Google News Search: Domestic Spying This should fill you in on all the details, as well as the latest developments and editorial takes on both sides. (edited by emcee on 12-28-05 11:41 PM) |
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Snow Tomato Snap Dragon  Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6315 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| There was a law previous to the patriot act that states that you can't wire-tap without a mandate from the courts, no matter who you are.
If that is so, many acts justified by the Patriot Act are illegal following previous laws. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| yeah well, not everyone follows the rules.
I'm sure the FBI, CIA and NSA ask for permission before they do anything. And I'm sure they follow all the rules all the time and never do anything wrong. |
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Snow Tomato Snap Dragon Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6315 days Last view: 6300 days |
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Are you serious?
When someone violates federal law, steps need to be taken. If anyone, not just the presient, does something not clearly defined as their job they get fired. If you're a chemistry teacher.. and you're teaching history.. you're going to be fired. It's a simple concept. But we're talking about the president of the united states. To be a democracy means to follow the beliefs of the people embodied in the laws of the constitution, and all the laws passed by congress. What kind of example is the president of the united states, the figurehead of the free world, setting for everyone else? That you don't have to do your job? That violating federal law is okay? Complete unquestioned obediance to a leader is acceptable? Democracy is supposed to be open to change and to investigation.. it's supposed to be the form of government where people aren't afraid to say "Hey, you're abusing your powers!".. that's the whole basis of the foundation of this country. It's being shattered, and I'm getting very frightened about what the future holds. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Originally posted by Snow Tomato FISA? That was amended into the USA act, and that eventually into the USA PATRIOT act. But that's the way laws works, the most recent one on the same level (in this case federal) take precedence. A little off topic, but you should try a lighter font color, you have to highlight it to read it. |
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Imajin Bot Local Moderator Currently affected by 'No syndrome' ---!!!  Since: 12-05-05 From: Camineet, Palm Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act, apparently, doesn't say anything about wiretapping American citizens in the USA without a warrant, which is what this act of Bush apparently does.
As far as I know, the law allowed emergency wiretapping without a warrant as long as one was gotten in 78 hours, which doesn't sound unreasonable to me. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Nobody's watching the watchdog... |
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