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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - Entertainment & Sports - WWE Thread (Test walked away from his shot at the ECW Championship? HE'S HARDCORE!) |
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DarkSlaya   930 Gamma Ray                    Since: 11-17-05 From: Montreal, Canada Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Got this one for once.
I still don't watch WWE. However, I still have to say: R.I.P Eddie Guerrero. |
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Emptyeye Oneofthebiggestlegendsand starseverinthis...GOD! Ceremonial Full Moderator  Since: 11-17-05 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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I have heard a story through one of my friends (who is a VERY trusted source and has contacts at his job) that said Eddie was at the afterparty a few weeks ago (when they were in El Paso) doing coke along with several other wrestlers.   (Hopefully that's not true, but I've asked him and he believes it to be true PLUS he was a huge Eddie fan to begin with.)
C/p'ing what I wrote at TBB (and man does the first sentence I wrote sound wrong if that's the case): Eddie was clean. Well, he had been clean for four years although a LOT of crap went into his body before that. If it ends up being the "enlarged heart" thing, then it's either from his past days, or it's steroids. 90%+ of the roster takes steroids in varying amounts, and that's just because it's how the business works. It's stupid but very few guys aren't on them... most obvious name is Mick Foley who's never done them (but look at his physique). Can't really speculate until the coroner's report comes back, possibly tomorrow. I don't know what was scheduled to happen on SD this Friday aside from that the main event was going to be Batista vs. Eddie vs. Randy Orton to get the belt off Batista for a bit while he recovered from an injury. Eddie might have been taking the title, I don't know yet. They decided to hold off the title thing this week obviously but they can't really put the belt on a heel next week so I dunno. In any event, it's really sad. Eddie had tons of great matches in NJPW, AAA, ECW, WCW and WWE. He was a hell of a performer... odds are that when he was in a match, it would be enjoyable at worst. Not only was he a hard worker, but he managed to come back from drug/alcohol addiction and ended up staying clean in the end right up to his death. (That's why he lost his WWE job shortly after he joined... he cleaned himself up, worked NJPW and ROH and then they gave him a second chance which thankfully worked out.) If you can, watch or download RAW and SD this week. Both are tribute shows and look to have great matchups; I dunno how great the match quality will be considering, but I'm sure everyone tried the best they could to put on great performances for Eddie. He's gonna be missed, no doubt about it. |
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Emptyeye Oneofthebiggestlegendsand starseverinthis...GOD! Ceremonial Full Moderator Since: 11-17-05 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Well, the official cause of death was heart failure, which is sadly not too surprising, given his past.
Further, it's generally believed that he was, at one point, on steroids (Apparently at one time he was 5'8" and 250 pounds or so...I don't know how true this is, but if it is true, then he was either obese [Hint: he wasn't] or 'roided about of his mind in addition to whatever else he put into himself). (EDIT: According to his Wikipedia entry, at what was presumably the time of his death, he was 5'8" and 220 pounds. Not quite 5'8" and 250, but 220 is still A LOT of weight--muscle or no--on a 5'8" frame) As I wrote on the WrestleCrap boards: "Warrior [Yes, "Queering don't make the world work" Warrior] posted something a few years back [Subsequent posts on the WrestleCrap board lead me to believe it was in response to the death of Davey Boy Smith] about that very topic--it took him 5000 words to say it (Being the Warrior and all), but his main point, that of "How many young deaths is it going to take before someone steps back and says 'there's something very wrong here'?", is impossible to refute. Thing is, it's not just steroids either. Painkillers, alcohol--you name it, someone is probably addicted to it (It's a minor miracle that Jake "The Snake" Roberts is still alive in my eyes). In Eddie's case, he was clean, but his past abuses apparently were a factor in his death. It does sadden me that on a yearly basis, if not more, we hear about a relatively young professional wrestler dying due to "heart failure" or some kind, almost always related to substance abuse, past or present." (edited by Emptyeye on 11-17-05 07:59 PM) |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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Actually, the preliminary autopsy report nailed it down as heart failure. The final report will be out in a few weeks, and it's pretty safe to say that WWE won't exactly be talking about the specifics *cough*steroids*cough* of it.  |
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Xeo Belmont Wiiiiiiiiiiiiin  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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Also copied from the sexy TB.
Originally posted by Xeogred |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| On the same topic, here are a few quotes from this week's edition of Figure Four Weekly that I found leaked. I think Bryan wrote a hell of an analysis on the topic that's easy for everyone to understand... and it's all true as well.
Those who give the simplistic answer that “WWE needs to start testing for steroids again” aren’t grasping the bigger picture. The issue is far, far more complicated. In fact, it is so complicated that I don’t think there is a solution. First, and most importantly, a number of sports institutions, including the International Olympic Committee, test for steroids. Theoretically, because they test, there shouldn’t be anyone competing in the Olympics who has used performance-enhancing drugs. If you believe that this is actually the case, you are extremely naïve. There is still, to this day, no test to determine if someone is using Human Growth Hormone. Designer drugs are constantly being created with the aim being to escape detection. And when successful tests are created, new drugs follow. The major issue as it pertains to WWE, and I’m not demonizing him for this, is that Vince McMahon loves big guys. This is more than him just knowing in the back of his mind that when he did steroid testing for real in the mid-90s and everyone shrunk, his business shrunk as well. This goes much deeper. He loves big guys and I don’t think he can help himself. For the past 60 years, his entire existence, he has been surrounded by larger-than-life characters, and to him these characters equal big money, and I truly believe this is so deeply ingrained his psyche in that he’ll never be able to escape it. If, for the sake of argument, an absolutely fool-proof drug test was created tomorrow and every single person in WWE ended up clean, Vince would not all of a sudden push the best workers, or even necessarily anyone different than he is pushing now. He would still push the biggest clean guys. People will argue that in the early 90s when most of the roster was clean he moved to pushing Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels, two very talented smaller guys. That’s true, but the reason for this was also because the bigger guys, who would have been bigger on or off steroids, either quit or were fired (two in particular were fired for trying to find their way around the tests). So because Vince will always push the biggest guys, clean or not, it will always encourage the smaller guys to try to get bigger, and with big money at stake, and the realities of gaining mass on the road, this will always result in them looking for ways to beat the tests. ...And ultimately, just looking at steroid use is too simplistic. Eddy Guerrero’s coroner hasn’t stated outright that Eddy’s enlarged heart was due to steroid abuse, and whether he took steroids or not, he was still likely to have died young because he abused his body with various substances for a long time, and that was no secret. There are plenty of wrestlers who have only taken steroids and are still fine today after decades of use. I’m not about to say they’re safe, because the reality is that anything that messes with your heart is dangerous, and the steroid/recreational drug combo appears to have killed a lot of wrestlers. What I’m saying is that the problem is not strictly a steroid issue; it is a drug issue. |
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Shane Red Cheep-cheep  Since: 11-18-05 From: IRELAND!!! Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Yea, that RAW episode was very emotional. Benoit was in tears when he was speaking to the camera. I couldn't help feeling very upset over Eddie's death! *sigh* (edited by Havik on 11-18-05 10:19 AM) |
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insectduel Lantern Ghost Not welcome here anymore.  Since: 11-18-05 From: Bronx, New York Last post: 6530 days Last view: 6324 days |
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| I really love Eddie Guerrero. I'm sure we all gonna miss him.
(edited by insectduel on 11-19-05 02:42 PM) (edited by insectduel on 01-26-06 02:45 PM) |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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Let's start the WWE freefall!
Originally posted by wwe.com So, if you're rushed to the hospital then suspended... your options really aren't that good. The best option is that you got into a bar fight with the wrong guy(s). |
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insectduel Lantern Ghost Not welcome here anymore. Since: 11-18-05 From: Bronx, New York Last post: 6530 days Last view: 6324 days |
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| Last night's SD is all about the love and tribute for Eddie Guerrero. I have the following wrestling games remembering Eddie Guerrero.
WWF Wrestlemania 2000 (Create him) WWF No Mercy WWE Wrestlemania 19 WWE Day of Reckoning WWE Day of Reckoning 2 I own these games. EDIT 1: Removed Signature EDIT 2: Removed Background (edited by insectduel on 11-19-05 02:42 PM) (edited by insectduel on 11-20-05 01:36 PM) |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Um... those games don't "remember" Eddie. He's in all the games but if you're going to remember him, then do so with a DVD or something. | |||
drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY!  Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6289 days Last view: 6287 days |
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Also, we don't care about what games you have. 
Roll call: Who else has the Bret Hart DVD set? Best Buy had it on sale for $20 all week, and though I've yet to watch yet, it looks like must-own material. Match list: * 7/13/1985: Hart Foundation v. British Bulldogs * 2/17/1986: Hart Foundation v. Killer Bees * Summerslam 1992: Bret Hart v. British Bulldog (IC Title Match) * 4/24/1993: Bret Hart v. Bam Bam Bigelow * King of the Ring 1993: Bret Hart v. Mr. Perfect (Semifinals) * WrestleMania 10: Bret Hart v. Owen Hart (!!!!!) * 3/8/1986: Bret Hart v. Ricky Steamboat * 3/8/1989: Bret Hart v. Ted DiBiase * 4/28/1990: Hart Foundation v. Rockers (SNME) * WrestleMania VII: Hart Foundation v. Nasty Boys (Tag Title Match) * Summerslam 1991: Bret Hart v. Mr. Perfect (IC Title Match) * 9/29/1994: Bret Hart v. Owen Hart (WWF Championship Match) * 5/14/1995: Bret Hart v. Hakushi (In Your House) * Survivor Series 1995: Bret Hart v. Diesel (WWF Championship Match) * 12/17/1995: Bret Hart v. British Bulldog (In Your House) * WrestleMania 13: Bret Hart v. Stone Cold Steve Austin (Submission Match) * 9/20/1997: Bret Hart v. Undertaker (WWF Championship Match) * 10/4/1999: Bret Hart v. Chris Benoit (Owen Hart Tribute Match) There's also a well-received retrospective on his career (and to think, if he didn't go along with this, they'd be calling it Screwed...) and decidedly worth it. |
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insectduel Lantern Ghost Not welcome here anymore. Since: 11-18-05 From: Bronx, New York Last post: 6530 days Last view: 6324 days |
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| I had PPV Videotapes like Summerslam 2002 all the the way to the most recent Wrestlemania 21. I should start watching them.
EDIT: Removed Signature (edited by insectduel on 11-20-05 01:38 PM) |
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mynameisbob Keese Since: 11-19-05 From: Look behind you, now look again. Last post: 6503 days Last view: 6503 days |
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| I remember recording a Royal Rumble PPV but I forgot what year it was. I think it was 1999. That and the Wrestlemania that same year. | |||
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| I need to... acquire the DVD. Yes.
But seriously, it's apparently great although Bret is... well... kinda full of himself. Can't go wrong with most of the match selection though. |
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY! Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6289 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| Hey kids! Do you want to understand Emptyeye's custom title? Then watch this clip! | |||
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Emptyeye Oneofthebiggestlegendsand starseverinthis...GOD! Ceremonial Full Moderator Since: 11-17-05 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| I would totally support a Lex Luger push to the moon if he would cut more promos like that.
ALSO: While it's not WWE, I'll point out that TNA is generally good stuff. If nothing else, they've come a LONG way from the PPV-only days. |
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Monarx J Hoodied Koopa (they rule.) Since: 11-17-05 From: Levittown, Pennsylvania, USA Last post: 6462 days Last view: 6462 days |
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| WWE is instituting a steroids policy.
Link btw, that Luger clip is hilarious.  |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| I think the wrestlers didn't know it was filmed. I saw a LOT of blank faces there and I'm sure some guys were pissing themselves over this.
Now, WWE's had steroid testing before but they haven't for years. That's obvious. It's also obvious that they're not going to start testing tomorrow because then they'd have to suspend/fire a LARGE chunk of the roster. The actual policy's still being written up (as Vince alluded to) and odds are that there'll be a grace period before testing starts; guys can get off the pain pills, stop doing coke, etc. Steroids need a grace period solely because you need time to get them out of your system. If you were to test Batista in a month, for instance, he'd come out positive. If you test him in six months, he might come out positive but possibly with low levels of steroids still in his system; if the level was still abnormally high, then you could nail him. If - and I do mean IF - Vince is serious about this, then you're going to notice a change in a lot of the wrestlers over the next year. And they might not always be good changes either. |
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