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Sinfjotle
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Posted on 12-24-05 09:37 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, except you know, katanas have a much more curved blade, are single edged, and come from a completely different culture that made their own weapons. Swords are also known for a more balanced way between a thrust and a slash where as a katana can't really thrust half as well as it can slash.
Zem
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Posted on 12-24-05 09:47 PM Link | Quote
So basically, the argument boils down to how wide the definition of "sword" is.

I'm sure it will vary from one source to another.

Wikipedia and dictionary.com both unabashedly refer to Katana as swords. Not sure where to go for alternate points of view.
Sinfjotle
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Posted on 12-24-05 09:49 PM Link | Quote
Wikipedia also points out that people don't believe katanas are swords.

You're right though, it is how wide the definition of sword is, but when the only similarity is that they have a blade and are somewhat long, the definition is to big.
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Posted on 12-24-05 09:54 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Dracoon
You're right though, it is how wide the definition of sword is, but when the only similarity is that they have a blade and are somewhat long, the definition is to big.

Too big? Why?
Sinfjotle
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Posted on 12-24-05 09:57 PM Link | Quote
Because the definition that people are presenting basically says any long bladed weapon is a sword, which simply isn't true.
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Posted on 12-24-05 09:59 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Dracoon
Because the definition that people are presenting basically says any long bladed weapon is a sword, which simply isn't true.

Which people? You're straw-manning here.
Sinfjotle
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Posted on 12-24-05 10:05 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Squash Monster

A sword is:
"A weapon consisting typically of a long, straight or slightly curved, pointed blade having one or two cutting edges and set into a hilt." AYFD*


Right, people is plural, maybe person would've worked better.

(btw, another reason this is a bad definition is that "slightly" is all objective, but a falchion/cutlass/sabre/katana do not seem slightly curved to me, that is one big damn curve to make.)

(edited by Dracoon on 12-24-05 09:06 PM)
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Posted on 12-24-05 10:22 PM Link | Quote
So are you arguing for a more specific definition of 'sword,' or are you arguing to keep katanas out of the sword category at all costs?

In any case, it's obvious for the purposes of this thread we're talking about bladed weapons along the lines of swords. I, personally, think of 'swords' as encompassing pretty much all of the above-mentioned weapons, because we don't have another good word that includes all of them, and they do share a lot of characteristics.
Sinfjotle
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Posted on 12-24-05 10:27 PM Link | Quote
More specific, katanas aren't the only things that shouldn't be named under swords. Hell, katanas are cool in their own right, but I don't believe they're swords. I don't believe sabres are swords either, I believe they're sabres. Falcions are falcions, cutlasses are cutlasses, etc.

Swords refers to the european/roman weapons that were used to both slash and thrust effectively, although there are many types of these swords such as gladius, two handers, and just middle/short/long, etc.

You know, arguing this much really just makes me realize it's completely pointless .
Trapster

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Posted on 12-25-05 05:45 PM Link | Quote
Another kind of swords that I like are Dual blades but I think they´re pretty rare.

I couldn´t find any good picture.
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Posted on 12-25-05 05:54 PM Link | Quote


Guys! GUNS!

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Posted on 12-25-05 05:58 PM Link | Quote
*Points sword to Alastor's throat*

Umm, what did you say?

(edited by Ran-chan on 12-25-05 05:00 PM)
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Posted on 12-25-05 06:14 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ran-chan
*Points sword to Alastor's throat*

Umm, what did you say?

*BLAM*
Alastor
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Posted on 12-25-05 06:15 PM Link | Quote
See, Zem knows what he's talking about here.
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Posted on 12-25-05 07:02 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Zem
Originally posted by Ran-chan
*Points sword to Alastor's throat*

Umm, what did you say?

*BLAM*




Lucky I have my bulletproof vest. Unless you aimed for the head.
Alastor
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Posted on 12-25-05 07:16 PM Link | Quote
Why would anyone aim for anything else?
Sinfjotle
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Posted on 12-25-05 10:10 PM Link | Quote
Because then you can't stuff the head and mount it on your wall?
Squash Monster

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Posted on 12-25-05 11:16 PM Link | Quote
I've never understood bullet-proof vests.

The bullet-proof turtlenecked sweater is obviously superior.
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Posted on 12-26-05 12:37 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Alastor the Stylish
Why would anyone aim for anything else?


BECAZE YOUR GAY!

In the spirit of Lone Wolf and Cub, I'd have to go for Dotanuki style katanas all the way.
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Posted on 12-26-05 12:49 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Jin Dogan
BECAZE YOUR GAY!
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