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Rydain

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Since: 11-18-05
From: State College, PA

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Posted on 12-17-05 01:41 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Anya
Okay, first off, let me say that this is total bullshit. So what that someone comes up to you to say "merry Christmas", it's just a damn phrase; there's no need to start crying about it and to start a little protest. There's more shit happening in this world and you have to worry about this? Come on, give me a break.
So where exactly are people actually protesting the "Merry Christmas" greetings of others? The links you provided said nothing about this at all. It sounds like this is being spun as the ZOMG Secular Liberal Left(tm) getting their panties in a twist, but from what I have seen (and from what I read in those links), it's the exact opposite. I have not seen any manner of organized outcry over a business' policy of putting up a Christmas tree, but I have seen Christians getting upset and threatening boycotts because various businesses and individuals have chosen to use the all-inclusive "Happy Holidays" greeting. I agree with those of you who said this is a bullshit nonissue. Private businesses can use whatever greetings and decorations they want - religious or nonreligious - and if businesses choose to use all-inclusive, non-religious greetings and decorations, it hardly constitutes an attack on the Christmas holiday, let alone a "war".

In response to a few posts on the thread - this is not comparable to the Pledge of Allegiance issue at all. The words "under God" were inserted into the pledge by a 1954 law. When President Eisenhower signed the bill into law, he stated that "From this day forward, the millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our Nation and our people to the Almighty." (link) This is a case of making a federal law which respects an establishment of religion. Whether or not you feel that it is an issue worth worrying about, it is a clear violation of the First Amendment. It has nothing to do with any sort of trend toward using nonspecific winter holiday greetings instead of "Merry Christmas".
Clockworkz

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Posted on 12-17-05 01:53 AM Link | Quote
It's called Christmas. It's merry. Therefore, Merry fucking Christmas. Deal with with it. I'm going to say it. Whether you want me to or not, I'm going to say it. And not a single soul is going to stop me.
(Speaking of the pledge, I just don't say the "under god" part; I'm not going to protest the deity b.s. becasue I believe in something different)
Trapster

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Since: 11-19-05
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Posted on 12-17-05 10:43 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Colin
Oh, the whole situation itself just makes no sense.

This "war" really doesn't exist in Canada. Ads here flop between Christmas and Holidays so both sides are fairly well-represented.



This war doesn´t exist in sweden either and I´m glad it doesn´t. Would probably cause riots or something.

"Some losers are even complaining about the Santa at malls, how the children sit on his knee.
"OH NOEZ!!!1shift+1. SANTA IS GOT A BONER!!"

That´s just...fucked up.
Master Higgins

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Since: 11-27-05
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Posted on 12-17-05 02:37 PM Link | Quote
Here we don't have the problem either. It may be because almost all chileans are catholic, which is like most of the countries in South america. And we don't force any religion over somebody. Here's just the typical consumerism of the season that all we are used to.
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Posted on 12-17-05 08:28 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Vystrix Nexoth

Originally posted by Anya
For how long has it been called a Christmas tree and no one got pissed. But all of a sudden, we’re in the 21st century and we have to be all PC?


No one got pissed because no one thought about it.


And no one thought about it because no one in their right mind really gave a damn about something so irrelevant to their lives - the tree is part of a Christian holiday (yes, Crystal Shards, I read your post and knew that stuff before anyway, but currently Christmas is a Christian holiday, one that I feel is different from Yule) and if they're not Christian, what's it matter? I understand objections on legal grounds, but even that's being anal. But then, I also think your last paragraph is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen - and part of my job involves cleaning bathrooms. I think people just need to stop getting offended so fucking easily. You don't see me or my mother going around suing schools for trying to make me say "under God" or the towns we've lived in for having Christmas decorations (and not being shy about calling them such) because we know that it doesn't do a damn thing to us to just let it be.

But hey, maybe I just don't give a fuck about differences. Maybe I just don't feel like tiptoing around in my speech in hopes of not offending some moron with too much pent-up hatred and not enough ways to release it. Actually, that sounds about right. You're different. Good for you. That doesn't mean I'm going to change how I talk to you; you don't want to be discriminated against for your different beliefs? Good. I'll talk to you just like I'd talk to a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, a Pagan, or a fellow Atheist.
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Since: 12-17-05
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Posted on 12-17-05 09:42 PM Link | Quote
I think it's pretty sad about the war on christmas. by the way it's great to see you again colin. I haven't seen you in a while. how have you been?
Arwon

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Since: 11-18-05
From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia

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Posted on 12-18-05 01:38 AM Link | Quote
Can't take credit for this, but it's brilliant. Quite unlike the delusional complaints in this thread... but then, bitching about the bogeyman of "political correctness" is usually bullshit, so whatever.


WAR ON CHRISTMAS

Much has been made of the so-called “War on Christmas” this year. And as a card carrying member of the liberal conspiracy, let me tell you that it’s true. We are at war with Christmas. But what you may not know is WHY we are at war. I don’t want to scare you, but it’s time you learned something very disturbing.

Christmas has weapons of mass destruction.

There are mobile labs all over the North Pole set up with holiday anthrax just waiting to be deployed. And Christmas’ ties with Al-Qaeda are clear. Al-Qaeda is currently operating in the Middle East, the exact same place Christmas began operating over 2000 years ago. We can confirm this through our reliable source, Ru’Dulf Ran’Dier. Also, we have captured some elves, a couple of gnomes, and a midget and are currently subjecting them to extreme interrogation in covert prisons. However, we do deny the rumors that we are flushing pages of “ ’Twas the Night Before Christmas” down toilets.

The impact of Christmas on society can not be underestimated. Christmas has been know to place agents in shopping malls, in front of grocery stores, and at various Christmas parties (now to be known as “Freedom Parties”), A suspected Christmas operative was seen following the Macy’s Thanksgiving day parade in a makeshift assault vehicle. Some Christmas operatives have even been known to enter citizen’s homes through their chimneys. In order to prevent this, the government recommends sealing your chimney with Saran Wrap and Duct Tape.

We cannot wait for this year’s winter wonderland to be a nuclear winter wonderland. An invasion of Christmas will begin immediately, with thousands of troops being sent to the North Pole immediately, and winter weather gear to be sent at an undetermined date in the future. Our initial plan is to bomb Christmas so much that they will be both shocked and awed. Then, when we occupy the North Pole, we will be greeted as liberators by the elves. It is important that we send hundreds of thousands of troops, and hundreds of billions of dollars, so that we can fight the war on Christmas there, instead of here, where it might interfere with holiday shopping. We will bring democracy to Christmas, whether the majority of them want us there or not. But honestly, we don’t expect it to last very long.

In order to keep you up to date on the current threat that Christmas has on the nation, we have developed a color coded alert system. Currently, the threat is green, or “Holly”. However at any moment, our poll numbers could slip, at which point we’re pretty sure the threat will rise to red, or “Jolly”.

So be strong America. Deck your halls with boughs of holly, forming a defensive perimeter around your borders as well. Peace on Earth (well, our part) and Goodwill to Men (most of them). Americhristmas to all, and to all a good night.



(edited by Arwon on 12-18-05 12:39 AM)
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