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Anya                   Since: 11-18-05 From: South Florida Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| This might have to be moved to debate, but we'll see.
Now, if this has been mentioned before, I am sorry. I didn't see a thread like this in debate nor here, so  .
Okay, first off, let me say that this is total bullshit. So what that someone comes up to you to say “merry Christmas”, it’s just a damn phrase; there’s no need to start crying about it and to start a little protest. There’s more shit happening in this world and you have to worry about this? Come on, give me a break. Now, all my life, well, at least when I started to work, I would always say “happy holidays” because I didn’t want to offend anyone and I thought it would be nicer to say that anyway. I was fine when people said “merry Christmas” and “happy Hanukkah” because it did not bother me and I knew that their heart was in the right place. Most of the time, people say this in passing. It’s not like they follow you everywhere and say it behind your back. Sure, we have those Xmas shows, cartoons, signs, and all that, and yes, they do get annoying after awhile, but is it that has to look the other way? I haven’t watched a Xmas special since I was about 15, maybe younger. And “holiday tree” what the heck is that? For how long has it been called a Christmas tree and no one got pissed. But all of a sudden, we’re in the 21st century and we have to be all PC? Screw that, this is America, screw that, as a world, as a whole we have the right to say Merry Christmas if we want to. If I can find this, I was watching Fox News yesterday and they had a very famous Jewish comedian on and he, I swear, makes the most sense out of all of this. Damn, I can’t find it. Oh well. At any rate, its never good to force any type or view or belief on someone, but trying to take out saying “Merry Christmas” is going a bit too far, I think. I mean, you have some cities with little or no Jewish community, yet there are signs that say “Happy Hanukkah” and things to exp I could care less if someone says “happy holidays” or “merry Christmas” or “screw you” this season or any season. The message is their anyway and how someone says it, shouldn’t matter. Heck, we should just change it to “Happy Santa Bunny day!” 
Below are some links in case anyone is interested: (and after reading some, I’m learning a few new things that I didn’t know. The more you know, I guess.) Okay and this: “In Phoenix, the sheriff has ordered Christmas music to play throughout the county jail all day long — hymns and carols — and for agnostics he says he'll mix in the singing Chipmunks.” I think is too far. That’s forcing. At least on the radio, you can change the channel or throw in a tape/CD (unless it’s my car and I’m screwed). If you want, mix it up, play a few Xmas songs and then some other types/forms of music (regular and seasonal). Oh, and PS, I don’t feel that I am Christian, and actually, I’m in the middle of finding a “religion” but this isn’t about me.
But all in all, I feel that this holiday season has turned into a time to spend money and the real meaning of it all has been lost; being with friends and family and getting toasted off of egg nog. fromTownhall.com ABC news |
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Black Lord + Flurry   Since: 11-17-05 From: Where indians still roam... Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| I agree and my girlfriend also agrees, this is all the being "Politically Correct" taken into effect. Honestly, I am the least "Politically Correct" person there is, if someone's gay, I call them a fag, if someone is an indian, I call them an indian, if someone is black I call them black. The whole appeal of being politically correct is to appease to everyone, well guess what, it's not possible. If we have to respect other religions and not say "Merry Christmas" then everyone should respect nudist beliefs and not wear any clothes.
Just a random thought... if you agree, good for you, if not, oh well. |
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Deleted User Banned    Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6296 days |
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There's a political protest about his, now? First the Pledge to the Flag, and now this!? Grow some testicals, U.S.! Gyah!  |
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Well, your initial problem here is that you're watching FOX news. Your other problem is that you don't seem to realize that the old men who are destroying politics with the thought of a correct language have a double-standard: The majority of them are conservative Christian males, who normally would be all "Celebrate Jesus' birthday, yay, yay, yay!!!", but also have huge handlings in the businesses and industries of our nation, so they're also gonna be all like "Celebrate Steroidal Profits, yay, yay, yay!!!". If you use that knowledge as a shield from the holiday BS, you'll find that you're a much happier camper. Until then, Happy Holidays!
Better yet, just do what I do and give 'til it hurts. Much easier to appreciate an overall holiday spirit that way, even if you're not Christian or Jewish. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I've always said happy holidays. It's not really that big of a deal. A lot of my friends celebrate Yule and other holidays because they're NOT CHRISTIAN. I don't really give a shit if someone says happy holidays or merry christmas or crazy quanza or happy hanukah or a solemn and noble ramadan or a yelling yule or ANY OTHER THING. Fuck, just say it.
If you think too hard on this topic you're going to break your brain. I mean, look at what happened to FOX news. It went from Terror Level Retard to Terror Level Bill O'RLY. As for the "indian" thing Black Lord is saying. Sure, I've got lots of Indian buddies. One of them is named Vijay Singh. Unfortunately the phrase he is thinking of is aboriginal. Like my friend John Bear Foot who is Cree. I say we should just call it Sales Season and take the fucking religious aspect out of it. I am the only person I know that actually fucking acknowledges the fact that it is the celebration of Christ's birth. Going to Christmas Mass and shit. I beat out every other Christian I know (except for my buddy Andre...but he's a seminarian). |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| It is the celebration of religion, 1st amendment, ownage.
To those who say it also means freedom from religion, if you can that written down, I'll believe you. Of course, no one can force religion onto, so you either ignore it, or don't go there. It's simple, when you start taking other's rights away because someone is insulted, it is unfair cencorship. You hear me FCC? Howard had to move cause of you  |
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Gavin Cheep-cheep Vandalism is not tolerated Since: 11-17-05 From: IL, USA Last post: 6372 days Last view: 6315 days |
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| I would like to conduct a simple experiment to test this so-called "war on xmas". It is simply yet another right-wing subversion to mobilize their base, because for some reason those types are crazy about this bullshit.
1) How many of you have ever talked to a person who has ever been upset or contested your salutation of "Merry Christmas"? I am very certain that most of you will be able to answer that in the negative (and if I'm wrong.. fuckit). Real, rational Americans don't bother with this crap. I do not know of anyone who has ever offered any objection to be greetings. Personally, I wouldn't care if someone wished me a happy fucking Kawanza, which is what I've taken to wishing people lately The sentiment is the same, and any anal, semantically obsessive person who gets upset with how I am wishing them never-ending cheer and the blessings of all of mankind, doesn't deserve to be greeted as such in the first place. Interesting fact: George W. Bush's own Presidential seasonal celebreation cards actually say "Happy Holidays". So is George W. Bush, vehicle of the conservative right of this country for the past 5 years, a left-wing liberal aetheist who wishes to abolish religion completely from this country? umm... No. I'm pretty sure he just wante to tell people to enjoy themselves during break. (edited by Gavin on 12-16-05 01:57 PM) |
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Metal Man88 Gold axe It appears we have been transported to a time in which everything is on fire! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Well, you know, unlike some things, Christmas and co. don't offend me. Most of us in my family are athiests, and hey, look, we're playing Christmas songs and have a Christmas tree up and the whole nine yards. If they're gonna get all touchy about religion, why don't they take 'God' out of our money and our pledge of allegiance, huh? Huh? Who cares if someone says Merry Christmas? I mean, come on. Go ahead with whatever holidays you want; it's the non-seasonal things which bug me. | |||
Trapster King Dedede Since: 11-19-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6403 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Blah! I think that people should use whatever phrase they want to and not forcing another phrase upon another person.
Christmas Tree/Holiday tree, shit the same but I´ve always said Christmas tree. And you don´t have to be christian to celebrate christmas. Why do people think that? Well, IF they think that. "The majority of them are conservative Christian males, who normally would be all "Celebrate Jesus' birthday, yay, yay, yay!!!" Bah! I wouldn´t be able to stand that. Sure, I´m christian but I´m not religious. And I´m getting quite tired on the christmas shows myself. Especially the Donald Duck one. Heck, I´ve seen it since I was born or something. And no, you shouldn´t force another belief onto another person. |
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spel werdz rite Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by The American Constitution, what we built America on...Yet stores or places of public business are not allowed to say Merry Christmas, because it offends the Jewish people (I wonder if Jesus is offended by the religion he started because he was Jewish). The funny thing is that today I was saying Merry Christmahanakwanzika. Todays Mission for Spel werdz rite: start a website called politicallyincorrect.com |
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Crystal Shards Newcomer Since: 12-14-05 From: St. Catharines Last post: 6720 days Last view: 6720 days |
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| I am so telling everyone to have a Happy Christmahanakwanza.
A few points of trivial interest: -At the time that North America was discovered, India was called Hinduasia, and it's citizens were not called Indians. -According to the bible, (I remember reading this personally, but tragically do not remember the verse) Christ's birthday is actually somewhere closer to September or October. -Christmas has nothing to do with Christ; it was constructed as a means of making it an easier transition for heathen pagans to convert to Christianity by continuing to allow them to celebrate Winter Solstice, or Yule. -The word Pagan finds it's roots in Latin pagani, or 'peasant'. Simply put, Paganism was the poor man's religion- since your average farmer could not afford nor read a bible- until the crusades forced it upon them. Thank you. |
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Vystrix Nexoth Since: 11-26-05 From: Cascadia Last post: 6722 days Last view: 6722 days |
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| I don't have a problem with people saying "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hannukah" or referring to their trees as a "Christmas Tree". My only real objection is (particularly in reference to the latter) when it is done in a civil/public/government capacity: if the display is publically-owned, then it ought to be "Holiday Tree" or no tree at all, I think. But privately-owned displays (in homes, stores, etc) can be called whatever the hell they want and I don't have a problem with it.
Similarly, I think government ought to say "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" or other non-denomination/-culture-specific things: but individuals (in a non-government capacity) can use whatever exp Why do I single government out like that? Because it is supposed to represent all of its constituents, not just some. Private (non-government) institutions and people aren't held to that standard. I myself don't really think all that much of the holiday season (let alone one of the particular holidays of that season, Christmas) so I don't go around saying Happy Whatever, though if I did I'd stick with "Happy Holidays". Originally posted by Anya No one got pissed because no one thought about it. Now the issue has been raised and people are thinking about it. The heart of Political Correctness is in showing basic respect to all and not just to some. And the growing tendency towards political correctness makes people think about things they hadn't thought about before, and they often cling to the older ways and decry the change as "PC", but eventually many "PC" things wind up being commonly accepted as showing basic respect. Would you, for example, call a black person a "nigger"? Back in the day it was considered quite all right to do that, and I'm sure there was much griping about "PC" (or whatever they called it back then) when people started figuring out it's disrespectful. Now people (usually) recognize it as such and accordingly do not use it. (Note: I'm not saying "Christmas Tree" is even remotely as bad as "nigger": I'm illustrating an example of a PC change that has become accepted with time.) You use "PC" as a derogatory term: like only pussy-whipped sissy-boys (and girls, though "sissy" is redundant when describing them: that is the only acceptable gender role for a girl to have, and to think otherwise is PC and therefore bad) would be PC, and those who don't are tough and strong and uncompromising and admirable in their resolve. But I think it is the other way: those who consciously try to be PC are strong enough to challenge people to think about what they had never given thought to before, to show respect to groups when it was normal to not show respect to those groups (and thus, in a way, to fight for them), and to maintain that resolve even in the backlash of those who cling to the old ways on the basis that they're not used to the new ways. And if you label all that as PC, then I'll say "thank you". |
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Danielle     6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE   Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I just have a question about the christmas/holiday tree thing.
If you don't celebrate christmas, why would you get a tree? Therefore, if you don't celebrate christmas, why do you care whether or not a major part of that holiday has the word christmas in it? I heard the holiday tree issue on the news, and this question has been buzzing around in my head since. |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I always say Merry Christmas. Other people say the same to me, or sometimes say "Merry Christmas AND Happy Holidays" to cover their bases.
If someone's going to be offended because I'm trying to be nice by wishing them well on Christmas, they can go fsck themselves as far as I'm concerned. Grow up. |
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Squash Monster Bouncy Since: 11-18-05 From: Right next to myself. Last post: 6303 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I can't really imagine someone being offended by something Christmassy. I mean, it has next to nothing to do with any specific religion or culture, it just kinda happened.
Christmas is the only holiday we have that's entirely devoted to being nice to people for no damn reason. I just can't find any reason to argue with that. |
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Imajin Bot Local Moderator Currently affected by 'No syndrome' ---!!!  Since: 12-05-05 From: Camineet, Palm Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| On the subject of the Holiday Tree, it just doesn't make sense to me. It's called a Christmas Tree and is identified with Christmas, replacing "Christmas" with "Holiday" would be like calling a Birthday Cake a Holiday Cake because it's not everyone's birthday. I mean, we don't call a Menorah a "Holiday Candel-holder" or anything like that, but some cities have Menorah displays.
Though, isn't the Religious Celebration officially termed "The Nativity of the Lord" rather than "Christmas", Christmas being a less formal name? |
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Danielle 6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Imajin My point exactly. Everything else, I can understand that people are bitching about it. But CHRISTMAS TREES... if you don't celebrate christmas, don't get a tree. |
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY!  Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Fun fact: As the tree was brought in for secular reasons (or at least not specifically Christian), Christmas trees put up by governmental bodies are okay with the Supreme Court. Don't even have to call them "holiday trees" or anything else. That seems a bit overly safe if you ask me. But this war? Idiotic, asinine, and wrong-headed. It's meant to perpetuate a specific view of Christmas (the commercialized fundie view, where Jesus was born so we could buy each other Support Our Martyr Complex ribbons) which a great majority of people don't even support. It's a sad attempt at, well, I don't even know what. Maybe Focus on the Family was bored? | |||
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Oh, the whole situation itself just makes no sense.
This "war" really doesn't exist in Canada. Ads here flop between Christmas and Holidays so both sides are fairly well-represented. Commercialization aspect aside, it's a moot point. |
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Scatterheart Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 From: Sydney, Australia Last post: 6319 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Geez! This is just reminding me of the stereotype of "Kyle's mom is a big fat bitch", who always found something to complain about.
It's been pretty bad here in Australia too. Some losers are even complaining about the Santa at malls, how the children sit on his knee. 
"OH NOEZ!!!1shift+1. SANTA IS GOT A BONER!!" Hell! My brother and I as very young children had a photo taken of us on "Santa" at the mall, and we were fine! ...Well, actually, it looked like I had a fresh big turd in my nappy.  |
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