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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - Hardware / Software - will an 'update' to vista soon be necessary? |
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spiroth10 Paratroopa                 Since: 01-28-06 From: USA Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| I know that it is never really a forced issue, but will it soon be a necessity due to software support to get vista?
right now I have XP Media Center 2005 (basically a modded professional version), and my PC is built for gaming, but I know that some games (the upcoming halo 2 PC release) will only support vista. this is Bulls*it for many reasons. Not only does vista hog up system resources, but it will force $100 out of my pocket that I don't even have (literally, not figuratively. After the empire state games come I'm broke) edit: I tried to download it on bittorrent, but it will take 3 days at only 8-10KB/s, and there are no http:// servers to leech off of. To be honest, speed isn't an issue here. I have a system that will be able to run vista fullspeed with all features enabled (should I buy anything above home basic) without a doubt. it's compatibility that is my main pet peeve. I want to run the NEWEST software. And now that M$ has made this their new tier product, I suppose developers will focus mainly on it, and drop standard windows XP support very soon. why does M$ insist on completely new OSs when they could just upgrade and better what already exists? anyway, do you guys think I'll need to go out and buy a copy this summer? If so, which version. Hopefully I can get a job at all this year... (edited by spiroth10 on 02-03-07 12:32 PM) |
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pix Newcomer You fail at reregistering, max.     Since: 02-03-07 Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| only if you want to play directx 10 games | |||
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spiroth10 Paratroopa Since: 01-28-06 From: USA Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| when will games start requiring directx 10 though?
I think the new flight sim does now, and it is only obvious that others will as well... what I don't like is that they restrict things like directX 10 from windows XP because they want more $$$, even if all users don't have any to give. |
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Sweet Kassy Molassy Out of ice cream and PB. Would KILL for a milkshake right now.  Since: 06-17-06 From: LoozeeAnna Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| I'm in the process of learning how to use Linux.
I guess I'm not really concerned with being able to play the latest games because I think PC gaming is dead and has been for several years. |
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Hiryuu Sword Maiden Retired Admin  Since: 11-17-05 From: Nerima District - Tokyo, Japan Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Considering I still see Windows 98 SE systems being used? I doubt it. It'd be cool to see what a Windows 3.11 or lower would do against today. | |||
Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| You don't NEED to upgrade now... I mean, some people who want to be on the cutting edge will, and Vista *does* look pretty, but... meh. You'll know when (if at all) it's time. | |||
emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| I have Vista installed on this machine. I've actually had to reinstall it 4 times now, since I got about a week before the official release.
I eventually just gave up, and went back to Server 2003 (best Windows ever, by the way). I just couldn't get the ATI Catalyst drivers to install. It would just sit there cranking the hard drive with a half full status bar. If I tried to do anything like close the installer or start another program it would freeze up and I'd have to restart. After restart it would freeze loading Windows. Attempting to boot in safe mode shows that it's freezing on crcdisk.sys. This appears to be a common problem among people with SATA raid controllers (like me), although most of what I read shows that for most people it happens right away, but I don't start having problems until I try to install the ATI drivers. Almost as if they're some kind of...catalyst... I wasn't super impressed, anyway. So, if Microsoft ever releases a patch or KB article to fix the SATA raid problem (as of yet there's no mention of crcdisk.sys anywhere on their site, outside the forums), and I start using it again I'll have to go around changing thing and shutting things off. Most annoying are the "security enhancements", which basically amounts to asking permission to do just about everything, warning about other things, or just flat out denying access to others. This will probably avoid a lot of security issues with some users, but it's still a poor substitute for basic common sense on the user's part. Most people's complaint about security issues with Microsoft software isn't that they aren't putting enough restrictions on users, anyway. Its that they allow too many software flaws to be built into the software itself, many of which effect security. The fact that they think adding these restrictions counts as building "more secure software", shows that Microsoft still doesn't get it. |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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I'd avoid Vista as long as possible. I intend to switch to Linux soon (probably whenever I replace this computer if not sooner), but that's not really a viable solution for everyone. From what I've seen, Vista is XP with pretty graphics, huge system requirements, and DRM out the wazoo. No thanks.
Originally posted by emcee Buggy drivers are one of Windows' big problems. Ironically, it's not really Microsoft's fault. :-/ |
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Sweet Kassy Molassy Out of ice cream and PB. Would KILL for a milkshake right now. Since: 06-17-06 From: LoozeeAnna Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6285 days |
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Originally posted by Alice It seems to me that this was the entire reason they released a new OS at all. (edited by Sweet Kassy Molassy on 02-05-07 09:39 PM) |
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Tarale    2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6285 days |
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Originally posted by emcee ha ha... Get A Mac: Security |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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Apple's not much better DRM-wise though.  |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6285 days |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker Is the ad talking about DRM? And are you referring to FairPlay? Cause you're not forced to use it  |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos  Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| Just like how you're not forced to use Windows Media's DRM.
People that know about it already probably will disable it. Otherwise, users get screwed when they can't copy their music to another computer. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| Well, I can't really afford a Mac. Well, I can, but I can't really justify it.
I have a hacked copy of Mac OS I'm going to attempt to install on this computer sometime, though. My guess is that it won't go well. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| Note: I was not actually telling you guys to get a Mac... that's just the name of those series of adverts.
I just liked their take on Vista's security mentioned by emcee earlier. "Mac has issued a salutation, Cancel or Allow?" |
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Drag 80  Since: 01-18-07 From: USA Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| To be honest, I'm going to stick with XP for the time being. Vista might be nice and all, but there's really nothing that makes me *want* to switch to it just yet. I mean, it's not as stable as XP (jokes aside, it really isn't) yet, and there are so many incompatibility issues too. Vista might be rock-solid once they get the kinks out of it, but until then, I'll just stick with what I have. After all... if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
That and maybe the crackers will concentrate on Vista and give XP even just 30% less attention.  |
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Zidane Koopa  Since: 07-14-06 From: Melbourne, FL Last post: 6290 days Last view: 6291 days |
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| Don't buy a Mac... Apple is a little full of itself when it comes to its OS. Given time (assuming that people choose to use their system), they'll end up just as crooked as Microsoft. That is the fate of companies who work with proprietary software. =/
If you haven't already switched to Linux, you really should. You could even use Wine to emulate those Windows programs that you just can't see yourself living without. Or maybe you just can't leave behind the graphic intensive games that are dependent upon Microsoft software for rendering? You could always dual-boot Windows XP (hopefully with an illegal copy ) so that you could switch to it when you want to play some of your games (though many games like StarCraft, Diablo II, and World of WarCraft will run under Wine). If dual-booting is too much of a hassle and you aren't interested in emulation, virtualization is also getting better.
Open source is a great idea, and more companies are liking it. They realize that by releasing their source, they can actually make more money than if they kept it to themselves, as was proven by companies like Linksys (though it was because they were forced to do so). Linux isn't difficult at all. While some distributions can be more complicated than others, the only reason why some people think Linux looks difficult is because the only thing they've ever used was Windows. Microsoft doesn't give away free software to schools because they care about the children. They know that they'll stay big if our future - the children - know how to use no other OS or software than their own. I don't want to be typing all day, so I'll just link to some reasons why Linux is great.
http://www.hoomanb.com/cs/Linux/101reasons.html http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap2sec8.html http://www.jubling.com/ten-reasons-to-use-linux.html (Reason 10 is the most important here) But it's also important to know the bad things about Linux. Here are Five reasons NOT to use Linux.
Linux really is a great OS; and now that Vista has been released, it's a perfect time to switch to it. It may be difficult at first because it will take some getting used to, but it would be well worth it. I mean, look at how much free software is already out there for Linux, when compared to how many people use Windows, there is only a small percentage of Linux users. It's about time that Linux gets some real noobs, who can annoy the hell out of tech-savvy programmers and users on Linux Forums. :p Edit: Messed up on a link. I'm surprised there weren't errors all over the page. This is post 100 too. ^.^ (edited by Zidane on 02-08-07 03:05 PM) |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6285 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleThose ads convinced me one thing. That I won't get a Mac. |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6286 days |
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| Linux is nice but there are three main reasons I'm not using it now.
1) It's too diverse/not standardized enough. All the different distributions, kernels, and window managers; how am I to know if this program works with GNOME V2.46 on the version of GenericLinux kernel V3.47 "Jones" that works with an AMD Sempron with less than 2GB of RAM and an integrated RAID controller and BIOS V3.1 with the ATAPI I/O bug and USB support and the computer placed below the monitor? (Hell, how do I know if this is even the kernel I should be using?) Compile it myself? OK, what do I do about the 11 pages of compile errors? Oh I bought this new MP3 player that connects to USB, how do I get it working in Linux? Compile a new kernel? Great, so much for doing anything today. 2) It doesn't support any of my hardware. I thought Linux was supposed to be good with old/cheap stuff, but no distro I've tried will boot at all on my main computer and the Ubuntu I put on an older computer for testing purposes doesn't support serial mice by default nor those old-style keyboards (with the big round plug) at all (the lag makes it completely unuseable, you type one key and end up with 200 characters). 3) The command line is not user-friendly at all. The command to delete a file is rm, to copy a disk is dd, to edit a text file is vi... what happened to del, diskcopy, and edit? Can commands not have more than 2-letter names in Linux? What's this command do, I'll just run it with no parameters to see if it'll tell me... oh it's a tool that wipes disks, WTF IT JUST DELETED MY PARTITION TABLE. Hm, I need to rename this file... "rm blah.txt foo.txt"... oh shit I typed rm instead of rn now my file is gone. #2 isn't so much a problem because I know my hardware sucks, but obviously I can't use it if it won't run. (edited by HyperHacker on 02-08-07 04:54 PM) |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6285 days |
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| Zidane: Linux is not Windows. It is not a replacement, and isn't meant to be. Think of it more as an alternative. Now, if you're looking for a true replacement operating system, ReactOS is what you want
HyperHacker: 1. Sounds like you listened to too much of Microsoft's FUD. This is so fucking inaccurate, you might as well claim that Windows sucks because you can't run it on your VCR. 2. You thought wrong; the more popular hardware is obviously more supported. Should probably think more when you buy things... it's really not that hard to get compatible hardware with everything. 3. Unix is older; GNU is modelled after Unix. It makes sense that it doesn't copy DOS. Besides you can make aliases. On top of this, just install Ubuntu, you still have a huge misconception you have to do everything with the CLI. |
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