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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - What are US people more afraid of? |
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Who do you think the citizens of the United States would elect?| Barack Obama |
30.0%, 3 votes | Hillary Clinton |
70.0%, 7 votes | Multi-voting is disabled. 10 users have voted.
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Young Guru Snifit                    Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I know it's early, probably way too early, but what the hell. So there are potentially two presidential candidates that are going to stir up a little controversy without saying a single thing. Hillary Clinton is a woman and Barack Obama is African American. So my question is, knowing what you know of the people of the United States, who do you think would be more likely to be elected president if there were no other choices. I don't think that these people are in anyway the worst candidates (if that's how my last sentence sounded), but I don't want this to get into a discussion of other potential candidates that wouldn't be anything majorly historic if they were elected.
Edit: The politcal views, potential policies, and history of the two are fair game in deciding who you think the US citizens would vote for, you don't have to leave it to simple would people vote for a black man or a woman. *Disclaimer: racism and sexism not welcomed, but it's okay to mention those if you think the people of the US are that way. i.e. don't be a dumbass.* (edited by Young Guru on 01-30-07 09:37 PM) |
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Uki-Ki-rby Poppy Bros. Jr   Since: 01-27-07 From: New York City Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| We would probably most likely elect Hilary Clinton not for any racist reasons but because of our major knowledge of her since we know her a bit more than her opposing candidate. And the topic title nearly threw me off the choice than the poll title. Also you are right this is waaay too early. | |||
Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| I think the mere fact that you invoke "fear" regarding these two tells me volumes more than this poll will. Why should anyone be afraid of these two people? What the hell has 6 years of Bush as president done to your beautiful country? | |||
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Uki-Ki-rby Poppy Bros. Jr Since: 01-27-07 From: New York City Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Bush ruined it obviously and made it look like the only nation that cannot say its own language word "Nuclear" correctly. | |||
Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I would like to say Barack (I voted for him, because I have faith), but for reasons mentioned at the beginning of this topic, I do not believe it is a good idea to mention why he probably won't win.
Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, is too stupid to run a country. At least, thats what she radiates to me like a ball of uranium radiates...Well, radiation. (Hint hint: That last sentence pretty much explains why) |
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I know, there really is no reason that these two should invoke fear (well, at least not simply because one is a woman or one is a minority) but the fact of the matter is that fact does strike fear into many in the United States. I've heard people talking about how if one of those two were to be elected the office of the president would be ruined, which to me doesn't really make much sense considering what's happened to it throughout the course of history (and I'm not just talking about Bush, I'd say pretty much every president of the past 30 years has done quite a lot to sully the position). I'm actually quite interested in seeing what Obama's policies might be, I think this nation needs a new kind of president, and the fact that he's relatively young in the DC politics arena is very appealling. From what I've seen from him he presents a very different view on how US politics should be. But then again, I would still need to hear more from him to be able to strongly support him, not to mention the fact that he hasn't even announced his candidacy. As for Hillary, I'm a little more skeptical about her. She has a lot to overcome with her husband being Bill Clinton (I happen to be a fan of him as a president, aside from him making his own statement to the citizens of the US and blatently lying to them). I also haven't been a big fan of her, she's always just seemed a little crazy. | |||
Silvershield   580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Of the two, I think Obama would be less likely to win the 2008 election, maybe largely because Clinton has been on the scene for far longer, has more experience, is older, etc. Does her race play a part? Most likely, yeah. But I doubt it's the sole factor.
I'm just a little put off by the use of "afraid." Why does not wanting to vote for a specific candidate equal fear of that candidate? It seems to me like a disguised dig at the right wing (who would be less likely to vote for either of these Democrats) - "The red states didn't elect Hillary because they're scared of her." Could just be the way I'm reading it, though. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I don't think it was a dig at the right wing. I think it was just kind of a generalized statement about the mentality of many Americans. Accusations of ruinous economy policies, getting weak on the war on terror causing geese to join Al-Qaeda to dive bomb children's schools, etc. Fear is a constant part of US politics going back to the earliest days. | |||
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Python Newcomer Since: 01-31-07 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| The only the the United States is afraid of, is not being top dog. Look at the way we have always ran things, and now its not in our control. | |||
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I used the term afraid exactly because of what Ziff said. The United States is currently being pushed arounded by politicians who use fear. Fear is behind all the "Think of the children" laws, all the "Anti-Terror" laws, etc. It is being used because there is no real justification for the removal of basic constitutional rights, but by stirring up fear people will disregard those power grabs. | |||
BounderTower Tektite Since: 01-26-07 Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Gaah.. based on the thread title, I decided people would be more afraid of Hilary than Barak, so I voted Hilary. Then I saw the poll title and realized I voted wrong.  |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Young GuruNo doubt that fear is used to great effect by many politicians of our day. I just don't think the term could be extended to describe the way that the American public views the two leading Democrat candidates. Like I said, I could be reading it wrong, but it truly does sound like a dig at the right wing. A left-winger certainly couldn't be called "afraid" of either candidate because he would be likely to vote for whichever one wins the primaries, while a right-winger would likely not vote for them and, instead of chalking that reluctance up to partisan politics, it's called "fear." |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| It isn't a dig at the right wing. It is talking about the usual bipartisan HE WILL RUIN AMERICA BECAUSE mongering that is used in every single election.
But I guess if the right want to feel victimized all the time... _¬ |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by ZiffI don't see why, if I write in a perfectly non-confrontational tone, you feel the need to make it into a confrontation... If it's really about the "Hillary or Obama will ruin America, and so that's why you should be afraid of them!" rhetoric that the right supposedly uses, rather than "Hillary and Obama are not WASPs, and that's why you should be afraid of them!" then couldn't the left be considered "afraid" of any of the right-wing candidates? Because you can bet that the left uses the same sort of "x Republican candidate will ruin America" propaganda that the right does, and it seems that those sort of statements can be equated to outright fear of a candidate himself rather that simple distaste for the candidate's politics. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Look, SS, you brought up the left-right thing and then beat it like a dead horse. | |||
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Beat it like a dead horse? I mentioned it once, and then other people responded to it and so I continued to address it. | |||
emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I don't see how it could be a dig at the right wing. This is about the Democratic primaries. The right wing has nothing to do with it. | |||
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Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is. Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Hilary Clinton would probably win:
- Clinton is still a known name - Better known (that I've seen) - Opposing canidate is black* Unfortunately, there's still the stigma of OMG A BLACK PRESIDENT??!?!? and/or OMG A FEMAL EPRESIDENT??!!!?..///, so... (Personally, I don't care who wins. Either one of them would probably make a good canidate regardless of gender or race.) * I say black because "african-american" is a stupid catch-all phrase that implies a) being African and b) being American, and not all blacks or so called "A-A"s fall into this category |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by emceeTo my eye, it's a hypothetical: Originally posted by Young GuruBut, let me repeat for the third time, I could be misreading it. I'm not here aiming to start problems, I just found myself a bit put-off by the way the situation was presented. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Well, Obama is genuinely African American. He is a Kenyan-American  |
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