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Dr_Death16

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Posted on 01-14-07 03:57 AM Link | Quote
From the "Adobe Systems Incorporated Terms of Use" http://www.adobe.com/misc/trade.html

Do you own Photoshop? If so, you're probably guilty of violating their idiotic restrictions in the user license. Observe:
Originally posted by Adobe
Proper use of the Photoshop trademark

Trademarks help protect corporate and product identity, and Photoshop is one of Adobe's most valuable trademarks. By following the below guidelines, you can help Adobe protect the Photoshop brand name.

The Photoshop trademark must never be used as a common verb or as a noun. The Photoshop trademark should always be capitalized and should never be used in possessive form, or as a slang term. It should be used as an adjective to describe the product, and should never be used in abbreviated form. The following examples illustrate these rules:

Trademarks are not verbs.
CORRECT: The image was enhanced using Adobe® Photoshop® software.
INCORRECT: The image was photoshopped.

Trademarks are not nouns.
CORRECT: The image pokes fun at the Senator.
INCORRECT: The photoshop pokes fun at the Senator.

Always capitalize and use trademarks in their correct form.
CORRECT: The image was enhanced with Adobe® Photoshop® Elements software.
INCORRECT: The image was photoshopped.
INCORRECT: The image was Photoshopped.
INCORRECT: The image was Adobe® Photoshopped.

Trademarks must never be used as slang terms.
CORRECT: Those who use Adobe® Photoshop® software to manipulate images as a hobby see their work as an art form.
INCORRECT: A photoshopper sees his hobby as an art form.
INCORRECT: My hobby is photoshopping.

Trademarks must never be used in possessive form.
CORRECT: The new features in Adobe® Photoshop® software are impressive.
INCORRECT: Photoshop's features are impressive.

Trademarks are proper adjectives and should be followed by the generic terms they describe.
CORRECT: The image was manipulated using Adobe® Photoshop® software.
INCORRECT: The image was manipulated using Photoshop.

Trademarks must never be abbreviated.
CORRECT: Take a look at the new features in Adobe® Photoshop® software.
INCORRECT: Take a look at the new features in PS.

The trademark owner should be identified whenever possible.
I realize it is not just Adobe that does this sort of thing, but it is a good example of the lengths companies go in these licenses.

(edited by Dr_Death16 on 01-13-07 09:59 PM)
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Since: 03-02-06
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Posted on 01-14-07 05:23 AM Link | Quote
If they want their brand recognition so badly they can just call it Adobeshop, that's what I've always thought.
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Since: 11-17-05
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Posted on 01-14-07 06:21 AM Link | Quote
INCORRECT: The image was manipulated using Photoshop.


If they seriously expect everyone to type "Adobe® Photoshop®" everytime, that's going a bit far indeed


So if I wanted to say this:

"One of the photoshoppers here should use Photoshop to photoshop that damn thing with PS's features, then it'd be photoshopped"

and had to follow those rules, it'd become like this:

"One of those who use Adobe® Photoshop® software to manipulate images here should use Adobe® Photoshop® to enhance that damn thing using Adobe® Photoshop® software with Adobe® Photoshop®'s features, then it'd be enhanced using Adobe® Photoshop® software"

Maybe not the best example, but it's still silly ... it could make sense for formal writing but not everyday chat
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Posted on 01-14-07 06:37 AM Link | Quote
I've noticed some licenses say silly things like "you do not have to agree to this license, since you have not signed anything" when right on the license window itself it says "you must accept the license to use the software". Some of these are absolutely ridiculous. Some nice ones from Flash Player 7:

You may install and use the Software on a single desktop computer that has a Windows PC operating system (including desktop PC versions of Windows 95, 98, 2000, NT, ME and XP (Home and Professional), a Macintosh desktop operating system, a Linux desktop operating system, or a Solaris desktop operating system; provided, however, that, notwithstanding anything contrary contained herein, you may not use the Software on any non-PC product

So you're allowed to use it on Mac OS, as long as it's running on a PC. (This was of course before this was possible.)

THE SOFTWARE IS NOT DESIGNED, INTENDED OR LICENSED FOR USE IN HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENTS REQUIRING FAIL-SAFE CONTROLS, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, MAINTENANCE OR OPERATION OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES, AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION OR COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, AND LIFE SUPPORT OR WEAPONS SYSTEMS.

Because so many life support systems and nuclear bombs need to have Flash installed on them.

MACROMEDIA'S TOTAL LIABILITY TO YOU FOR ACTUAL DAMAGES FOR ANY CAUSE WHATSOEVER WILL BE LIMITED TO THE GREATER OF $50 OR THE AMOUNT PAID BY YOU FOR THE SOFTWARE THAT CAUSED SUCH DAMAGE.

You can't sue for any more than what you paid for the free software. Why don't they just come right out and make the entire document "YOU AGREE NOT TO SUE"?
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Posted on 01-14-07 06:51 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Milly

If they seriously expect everyone to type "Adobe® Photoshop®" everytime, that's going a bit far indeed


Especially considering the ® symbol is a non-standard key on a keyboard. Hell, out of everyone in the world, I honestly believe that only people who have to deal with the program in a legal contest seriously use it the so-called "proper" way. In fact, I think that their insisting that we type it the proper way is just an advertising scheme or something. At any rate, it's stupid, ridiculous, and an idle threat. Hell, it's probably laughable in the courtroom.
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Posted on 01-14-07 06:53 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Alice

So you're allowed to use it on Mac OS, as long as it's running on a PC. (This was of course before this was possible.)


I think they mean personal computer.
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Posted on 01-14-07 07:02 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by asdf
Originally posted by Milly

If they seriously expect everyone to type "Adobe® Photoshop®" everytime, that's going a bit far indeed


Especially considering the ® symbol is a non-standard key on a keyboard. Hell, out of everyone in the world, I honestly believe that only people who have to deal with the program in a legal contest seriously use it the so-called "proper" way. In fact, I think that their insisting that we type it the proper way is just an advertising scheme or something. At any rate, it's stupid, ridiculous, and an idle threat. Hell, it's probably laughable in the courtroom.

I think they're only doing that to prevent it entering the language as a normal word, like xerox. They won't actually sue anyone, much less for nontrivial damages.
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Posted on 01-14-07 07:11 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by emcee
Originally posted by Alice

So you're allowed to use it on Mac OS, as long as it's running on a PC. (This was of course before this was possible.)


I think they mean personal computer.

Probably, but I'd expect them to actually say "personal computer" in that case. I mean, they seem to make a point of bloating these as much as possible so you won't bother to read them.
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Posted on 01-14-07 07:40 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Alice
Because so many life support systems and nuclear bombs need to have Flash installed on them.


This sounds like a challenge!
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Posted on 01-14-07 08:45 AM Link | Quote
At least Adobe has a better trademark than, say, Microsoft. Every time the courts start to question MS' trademarks like Office, Word, Windows, SQL Server, etc, Microsoft backs out of whatever the original case was anyway (usually about trademarks). Actually it's kind of funny.
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Posted on 01-14-07 03:52 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Alice
So you're allowed to use it on Mac OS, as long as it's running on a PC. (This was of course before this was possible.)
Mac's are much of a PC as the IBM compatible clones are.

And of course, you can't enforce how people speak. At least Google doesn't seem to mind when you use their trademarks as verbs. :p
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Posted on 01-14-07 03:55 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ailure
At least Google doesn't seem to mind when you use their trademarks as verbs. :p
But only if you mean "to search for stuff using Google", so you can't use, say, AltaVista to google crap.
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Posted on 01-14-07 04:28 PM Link | Quote
Looks like even Adobe's employees don't follow the rules.
Originally posted by the Adobe support site
The larger the file, the more memory Photoshop requires, and the more likely Photoshop's scratch disks will become full.

Trademarks are proper adjectives and should be followed by the generic terms they describe.
Trademarks must never be used in possessive form.

(edited by BooUrns on 01-14-07 01:50 PM)
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Posted on 01-15-07 12:42 AM Link | Quote
Hahaha, this is funny.

I find it interesting that it is a positive thing for Google that the word "Google" has become a verb -- but Adobe consider it a negative thing for Photoshop to be used similarly.

The term "to google" something has fairly likely lead to more people using the Google search engine....
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Posted on 01-15-07 04:16 AM Link | Quote
Heh... honestly, if I posted those terms on a site and Adobe e-mailed me and demanded I change the terms, I'd ignore them and nothing would happen.

It's Adobe's own damn fault that the program got popular, they should have slacked off on it and introduced major bugs.
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Posted on 01-15-07 06:35 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tarale
Hahaha, this is funny.

I find it interesting that it is a positive thing for Google that the word "Google" has become a verb -- but Adobe consider it a negative thing for Photoshop to be used similarly.

The term "to google" something has fairly likely lead to more people using the Google search engine....


There is this article from CNet that suggests that Google sides with Adobe...
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Photoshop does have annoying bugs (hello when I click the buttons to change selection modes I want the selection mode to change), just not major ones.
Originally posted by BooUrns
Looks like even Adobe's employees don't follow the rules.
Originally posted by the Adobe support site
The larger the file, the more memory Photoshop requires, and the more likely Photoshop's scratch disks will become full.

Trademarks are proper adjectives and should be followed by the generic terms they describe.
Trademarks must never be used in possessive form.

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