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SamuraiX Broom Hatter                  Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| Lately, I've noticed that many people have posts that are needlessly filled with so much complication. I am guilty of this, as well as others, and much of it in debate. I found a site that calculates the grade level needed to understand a post, here. It doesn't make you look smart if one cannot condense what one is saying to a basic, and oftentimes, more eloquent statement. On the other hand, might have the opposite effect. This is not to say that all things can be thus simplified, but that they should be made simple as possible.
If one cannot say something so that a nine-year old cannot read your post, then it's probably needlessly complicated. You know who you are, complicators. O: [Edit] Ironically, this post is ranked 9.58. =\ (edited by SamuraiX on 01-12-07 03:57 AM) |
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Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is.   Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| I'm somewhat doubtful of this utility, especially since it isn't good for internet forums: it won't pick up a word like "BMF54123"*, for example.
Then again, that's probably because it's automated, and "grade level" for reading can be based on more than just how long words are. |
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Young Guru Snifit  Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| I find the examples for each ranking increadibly interesting. Sports Illustrated requires a higher degree of education than Newsweek, and people say that athletes are just meat heads. And the universal taxes requires a PhD to understand, too bad quite a large percent of people needing to understand that have nowhere near that level of education. | |||
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SamuraiX Broom Hatter Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6281 days |
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Originally posted by Young Guru But I think it's safe to say that most people don't fully understand IRS Code to the extent that it's so cunningly--or sneakily--written, as that an incredibly slim number of people can exploit it to their advantage. Newsweek isn't for the bright, if I might add. But yes, it just measures the complexity of the words in your posts, I think. And Xk, words not part of the English language are excluded from the grade process, but I think this is mainly for English language-based purposes. (edited by SamuraiX on 01-12-07 04:41 AM) (edited by SamuraiX on 01-12-07 04:43 AM) |
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Koitenshin +∞ Moblin Since: 12-24-05 From: Misery Last post: 6282 days Last view: 6282 days |
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| I usually do not post about code related problems nor do I post about intelligence. However, this topic has me quite intrigued to see what kind of a score I would get. I could toss in quite a few gigantic words but I won't do that. I see no point in it just to raise my score. The idea behind this post is to get this point across. Testing scores mean very little compared to real world applications of use. I scored an 8.92.
I think it simply measures the complexity of your post as well and not content, grammar usage, or pretext. |
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SamuraiX Broom Hatter Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6281 days |
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Originally posted by Koitenshin +∞ It takes the polysyllables and number of sentences, and computes a value. Here's a wikipedia link if you want to know more, including its formula. Although predicated on public health communications, it makes sense that to an extent that it can be used as a rough judge for English in general. It doesn't have a direct correlation to the actual complexity of a post, but if your post ranks 16+, it might just be too damn complicated. |
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LizardKing Bullet Bill  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6283 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Mu posts are most difficult to underasrand whenIĉm drunkn (I think..)
And since I amy bot have fewer than 30 words I wil now tyoe sine extra bullshit for your pleasure. The garbage truck i sright out side now and I'm kin dof hungry,,,, SMOG Calculator Powered by SMOG Calculator - A Words Count Service Detailed SMOG Analysis 12. januar 2007 11:46:47 SMOG Grade 7.47 Type document title here (optional) Words: 45 Numbers(off): 0 Total Tokens: 45 Syllables: 57 Sentences: 3 Basic Data Sentences 3 Total Words 45 Letters 182 Digits 0 Characters 239 Lines 1 Derived Data Words/Sentence 15.0 Syllables/Word 1.27 Syllables/Sentence 19.0 Letters/Syllable 3.19 Letters/Word 4.04 Letters/Sentence 60.67 SMOG Grade Educational Level Example 0 - 6 low-literate Soap Opera Weekly 7 junior high school True Confessions 8 junior high school Ladies Home Journal 9 some high school Reader's Digest 10 some high school Newsweek 11 some high school Sports Illustrated 12 high school graduate Time Magazine 13 - 15 some college New York Times 16 university degree Atlantic Monthly 17 - 18 post-graduate studies Harvard Business Review 19+ post-graduate degree IRS Code SMOG Calculator - by Words Count Adapted from SMOG by G. Harry McLaughlin (1969), SMOG grading: A new readability formula. Journal of Reading, 12 (8) 639-646. This gives the SMOG Grade, which is the reading grade that a person must have reached if he or she is to understand fully the text assessed. Terms of Service |
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SamuraiX Broom Hatter Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| Which brings up another point, one must use intelligible English for it to process correctly. No typos or incoherent sentences can be used, or else one might get results that don't reflect anything. I can see this as a somewhat useful tool for oral debate, as polysyllablic words can be a pain if they're not absolutely necessary. | |||
NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE  Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| Well, I would hope most of my posts are easy to understand. I'm usually pretty concise. As an example, I tried to calculate the SMOG grade, and I was under the 30 word minimum.
Grade for the above: 10.07 |
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Silvershield   580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6280 days |
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Originally posted by SamuraiXI think you're a bit misguided. There's something to be said for speaking in very accessible terms - I won't argue that for a second - but there's no need to demonize the use of more mature language. If I can say something and make a second-grader understand it, good for me; but, if what I'm trying to convey is simply beyond that second-grader's sphere of understanding, or if the words I need to use to do that subject justice are more advanced, I'm not necessarily pretentious or elitist or anything of that sort. And, of course, I'd sooner use one big word for a specific purpose rather than ten smaller words to accomplish that same purpose. (And, yeah, I went out of my way to make this post sound a little more pretentious than usual.) Edit: By the way, 11.83 for the above post. And I'm not going to apologize for it, because I know darn well that every single person here could read and understand it. (edited by Silvershield on 01-12-07 04:17 PM) |
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blackhole89 Moronic Thread Bodycount: 17 (since 2006-08-21 09:50 EST) F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 Since: 12-31-69 From: Dresden/SN/DE Last post: 6282 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I tried this out on some texts I produced...
TwilightRO's ruleset - 13.36 (just .01 below 13.37  )
My last post in World Affairs/Debate - 15.06 My website's section on foobar2000 plugins - 16.6 I find it particularly interesting how it assumes one needs a university degree in order to understand the latter. edit- removed random smileys toggling (edited by blackhole89 on 01-12-07 05:50 PM) |
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Metal Man88 Gold axe It appears we have been transported to a time in which everything is on fire! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| For some reason, when I become argumentative my posts becoem much harder to read. But it does not matter; in the same way people claim I'm pretending to be smart, I'm actually just doing my thing, and what they say doesn't really matter. Most of my stuff averages around a 9th grade difficulty, though, with some areas hitting up to 12.5 something (see my PETA topic posts for more details), but that's only in the worst arguments.
This post is rated 11.37, though. |
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Kejardon Shyguy  Since: 05-21-06 Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| I don't usually post, period, but this has my interest too. So I went and took it to see what I get. Of course, that means I need to fill it up with a bunch of words first, which means that I can't use my discussion of my score as my score.
On the plus side, I seem to be doing just fine filling it up with my complaint about having to fill it up to get a score. 7.74. Is it just judging by the syllables and stuff that it lists? My posts are generally hard to read because of my sentence structure, not because I sometimes use difficult words. 
This abysmal attempt to taxonomize the challenge of comprehending literature according to such misnomered 'gobbledygook' horrifically insults common sense. Any competent practisian of English can assuredly peruse the abundantly available dictionaries and thesauruses to explain whatever confounding vocabulary they happen upon. Conversely, intricate grammatical constructs can overwhelmingly render even natural speakers dumbstruck, and encrypt any meaning faraway beyond a foreigner's most outlandish prospects. 19.12.  |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| Artificially inflating one's writings through the utilization of particularly long words has at least two signifigant disadvantages. Primarily, it creates a noteworthy increase in the chances that less educated readers will have difficulty comprehending your writing and will require some variety of explanation. Additionally, it gives the impression that the writer is a complete douchebag. However, this technique does have at minimum one useful purpose: Utilizing it allows the writer to exploit minimum length requirements, for example one paragraph, when writing essays or similar documents.
(That could probably be stretched more, and not repeat words like writing/writer and utilize so much, but ehh. )
This post (first paragraph only) achieved a grade of 16.96, just below "post-graduate studies" such as Harvard Business Review. 
Sentences: 4 Total Words: 85 Letters: 502 Digits: 0 Characters: 597 Lines: 1 Words/Sentence: 21.25 Syllables/Word: 2.01 Syllables/Sentence: 42.75 Letters/Syllable: 2.94 Letters/Word: 5.91 Letters/Sentence: 125.5 (edited by Alice on 01-12-07 09:18 PM) |
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Tatrion <_<; Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Hello. I am Tatrion. I enjoy posting. I enjoy testing. I enjoy testing when I post. I enjoy posting when I test.
3.0. |
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Darkdata 980  Since: 02-25-06 From: Newfoundland Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| *Random ascii test*
10 .... Yes.. This thin  (edited by Darkdata on 01-13-07 01:08 AM) |
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SamuraiX Broom Hatter Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6281 days |
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Originally posted by SilvershieldOriginally posted by SamuraiXI think you're a bit misguided. There's something to be said for speaking in very accessible terms - I won't argue that for a second - but there's no need to demonize the use of more mature language. If I can say something and make a second-grader understand it, good for me; but, if what I'm trying to convey is simply beyond that second-grader's sphere of understanding, or if the words I need to use to do that subject justice are more advanced, I'm not necessarily pretentious or elitist or anything of that sort. And, of course, I'd sooner use one big word for a specific purpose rather than ten smaller words to accomplish that same purpose. But you see, unless it's something absurd like a 18, there's a good chance that it's okay. But as Alice and Kejardon illustrate, it's always better to use the simpler explanation, as opposed to wordy descriptions. And I just don't mean word length. SMOG uses polysyllabic calculation, so a lot of useless filler words that aren't long wouldn't register. I already said "As simple as possible." I agreed that there are some things that can't be further simplified; just like a math problem, some matters are complicated even after simplification. "As simple as possible" doesn't mean that a second grader can understand it, but just that--that is is made as simple as possible. Originally posted by Silvershield Of course not. |
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Hiryuu Sword Maiden Retired Admin  Since: 11-17-05 From: Nerima District - Tokyo, Japan Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| I just took a few examples and I'm anywhere between nine or ten. I guess that's about right, considering that I'm usually on the internet to just type out a few things that I'm thinking, not get into Harvard University.
By the by, the above is 12.49. That makes me laugh in one of two ways. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I got 14.5
How does Atlantic Monthly require that ?! I mean, honestly. I've beenr eading that, and higher brow publications, since early high school! |
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Hiryuu Sword Maiden Retired Admin Since: 11-17-05 From: Nerima District - Tokyo, Japan Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| And it would probably turn most 'normal' people's heads.
I mean, seriously, where I'm living now I would think something of a '12' caliber would really make people go 'what?'. I've had it happen in conversation far too often otherwise or themselves give me odd looks. That's why, in public, I have to really REALLY dumb my conversations down. Not so much so that I talk like a redneck wannabe but to a degree where people can actually understand the words the are coming out of my mouth thank you Chris Rock. |
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