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| ShadowTails Posts: 74/80 |
I say feed the skinny ones, seriously, if you can see more than the bones you're supposed to see on anybody, it's just sick... I'm not a magazine person, but I have seen the photoshopped images of girls and it just makes me sick... what's wrong with being human? |
| Kyoufu Kawa Posts: 1309/1353 |
Ailure is not alone.
Too fat's too fat, but I want some goddam meat on my girl! |
| Christi Posts: 35/38 |
From my experiences, guys like really thin girls, and curvy girls but for different reasons. Thin girls are the kind of girls that parents and friends seem to approve of. I guess the media affects them too, and if your girlfriend is blonde, thin and wealthy, you're held in the highest regard. |
| Ailure Posts: 2269/2602 |
Ok, sorry if i'm ignoring any ongoing discussion but...
I'm the only guy who likes slightly overweight girls? I don't talk about being obese, just having a little bit of a round shape...  I think the term is "plump".
I hate seeing pictures of "before and after" where I think the girl actually looks better in the before picture.  |
| Salmon Posts: 214/221 |
Originally posted by Silvershield Well, I would assume that this is because the male degree of self-worth and success is not measured by how he looks, but rather by how much he has earned. In general, a man will be much more obsessed by gaining items that function as a measure of his social status, such as a fancy car, a big-screen TV or other things that will display to the world that the man is rich. Take the mid-life crisis, for example, how often do you see a woman dealing with that by going out and buying a new Porsche? The reason men are not as influenced by pictures in the media of the perfect male body is not because men aren't as easily influenced, it's because men are told that what matters for a man is not his looks, but what he owns. |
| Silvershield Posts: 465/587 |
How do you account for the fact that eating disorders are so much more common among women than among men? You can bet that I see guys with rock-hard bodies and six packs every day of the week in every imaginable medium, but most guys won't develop an eating disorder. For that matter, most guys won't develop a psychological disorder that will cause them to go to the gym three times a day to try and bulk up, even though that's what the ideal physique represents.
You say that ultra-skinny women are only in magazines, while more healthy ones are in movies. Well, Adonis-esque guys are in magazines and movies and billboards and everywhere else, and as such are more common than the paper-thin female model is, and yet men don't seem to take it to heart as often. Is there an explanation? |
| Snow Tomato Posts: 775/798 |
It drives me absolutely crazy that my best friend is struggling with bullemia and she's not even fat. She's gorgeous and has a boyfriend. She's just incredibly jealous of what she doesn't have.
The media portrays what the population thinks is attractive at the time. Mostly, I think this is done in movies and magazines. No one really pays that much attention to advertising campaigns. Magazines are mainly read by women... so that is where you find the bulk of the super skinny flat chested models. Movies, however, have to cater to both audiences... so that's where you find the skinny but not too skinny acresses with breasts. I think that movies convey a more realistic image of the female body... at least moreso than magazines. However you still won't see particularly chubby girls being portrayed as "hot" in movies. I do think though... that this is because it wouldn't appeal to a wide audience. Most people do not consider an extremely chubby girl as attractive. So because the media tries to portray what the consumers consider attractive... I think that's why it has such an affect on some people... and a glint of truth to it. I don't know anybody who looks like those girls in the magazines... the super skinny blow over in the wind ones. However... because of the pressure to become thinner felt by women... the models have to be thin. Women will buy those magazines out of their own insecurities. It sells. Friend noted above.... her room is filled with these magazines. Fear and insecurity sells magazines. I think they need to find a healthier way to cater to their audience. And then they have articles like "my struggle with anorexia"... one page next to "falls hottest fasions" sported by skeleton models. I hate those magazines. |
| spiroth10 Posts: 96/145 |
Koneko, I have to say, I totally agree with you. too bad Im a guy (lol j/k)
anyway, I have to say, stuff like this does affect guys. Its mostly harmless stuff. A lot of the guys who're my teammates shave a *lot* (more than just down there... a little on behind, the legs, chests, maybe even their backs) I'll say right now I shave my area, but thats it. the leg/chest hair stays. (mine is REALLY thick too. Im an ape.) some take steriods -- thats where it gets dangerous. I know 2 or 3 guys like this. on the girl end of things, I agree with you all. problem is, people these days are stupid. I find that most guys are told to like a certain thing, so they just listen to it. hell, these days people ONLY date for sex, and not for a relationship, so they end up getting divorced and miserable because they marry someone they only like, mistaking it for love because they never gave a **** about their partner at all before. I also find that women (yes, in general) seek out destructive and dangerous relationships rather than stable ones. I tried to get someone to go out with me not long ago, and she decided to go out with an extremely violent drug-addict the same day. She said he was sweet because he said he'd "Quit pot" for her. (and shes one of the smartest girls in my town) I also know a 15 year old who just got pregnant and doesnt know who the father is. there were like 20 girls who were desperately trying to set me up with someone a month ago. but this isnt your blind-date type of thing, it was aggresive. we had like 50 people trying to force us to go out, and we didnt want to. Hell, almost everyone I know (some guys included, they think I should just use her for sex and leave) is still trying on this. I have more stories too, but this isnt the time or place... jesus christ, I hate stupid people. There should be a common sense test, and failures she be sentenced to death. |
| Koneko Posts: 632/656 |
Although I'd love to be able to honestly say that personality is the only thing that matters to me, it's simply not the case. It's the most important thing, and it can overcome a large part of what someone's appearance is, but frankly if you're disgustingly thin / fat it's likely people won't be interested enough to find out more about your personality.
The one time I was in a serious relationship with a girl, neither of us was particularly impressed with the other's appearance. We were both smart, nice people who were into the same kinds of things (DDR, video games in general, computer science, writing music) and it worked out fine. So I guess I mean you don't have to be really worried about your appearance. My ideal of perfect beauty is mostly about kindness and intelligence. ...Maybe if you're lucky, someone out there has the same opinions about this as me. It could happen. |
| LizardKing Posts: 456/511 |
Hmmm. What defines an attractive girl? There is no one answer to this, really.
It would probably be easier to look at what characteristics an attractive girl shouldn't have. Eh, or maybe not.  This is a complicated issue..
But atleast I can say that a general rule is that the girl shouldn't have to much body fat. Sorry, but that is the truth. Obviously, anorectic girls aren't attractive either.. And I can't say that I have seen many thin girls that I would call attractive.. (The number would be one, and it is probably only because of alcohol intake!) So yeah, in general, girls need some meat on their bones to be attractive, and they need curvature! I would say that important things are: -Curves (boobs is a part of this one) -Face -Hair (yes, actually, the hair is very important. Plus it also defines how you view the face.) Though, that list is kind of wrong anyway. I mean, it's the sum of all those. (If this post is of bad quality, it's probably because I am not feeling very good today. Actually, I feel like |
| D 2007 Posts: 263/497 |
Originally posted by Kasumi-Astra Quite simply, disgusting. My thoughts on the matter echo others -- proportions. However, the media*'s image of super-skinny does not make me emit any feelings other than pity. *ominous |
| Cirvania Posts: 1071/1181 |
My opinion in a nutshell:
<100 pounds = Not very interested as they're basically snap-in-half girls like Silvershield put it. 100-165 pounds = Ideal weight/body complexion. I like my women to have some meat, dammit. 165-210 pounds = Depends on shape. If she's curvy, muscular, or plushie, then I'd take her. 
>210 pounds = Okay, maybe that's overdoing it. But still, I wouldn't turn a woman down just because of that. I look at the face before all, so  |
| HyperHacker Posts: 4362/5072 |
"Beach balls on a flagpole" is just as bad as "human wrecking ball". IMO it's not about numbers, it's about proportion. |
| Squash Monster Posts: 282/296 |
I find neither skinny girls nor chubby girls attractive at all. Girls who keep healthy and active flesh out with muscle, and it looks way better than both fat and bones.
When it comes down to it, different girls look better at different sizes. Some girls are really attractive thin, and some girls are better with some more curves to them. Girls who get their own body right are the most attractive. And quite luckilly, if you just eat healthy and exercise, your body will tend towards what looks best all on its own. And anybody who doesn't believe me can go check out the girls at a dojo. I recomend olympic style taekwondo or anything else competition oriented. (Girls who do any other sport tend to be pretty nice looking too, and so do dancers, but martial artists are my personal preference). |
| Cruel Justice Posts: 1557/1637 |
Around 120-140lbs is okay but 110 and below is just disgusting. I like a slight softness, great shape and perky breasts as opposed to a cold, shivering skeleton clutching onto me. Look on the bright side Taryn, at least you could beat the crap outta skinnies.  |
| emcee Posts: 681/867 |
Originally posted by Arwon Exactly. Society and media don't cause disorders, at most they determine the form they take. You can say, "see this girl became anorexic because of all the skinny women she sees in magazines", but we all see skinny women in magazines, and we're not all anorexic, so there's obviously more to it. Something about that girl made her become anorexic, whether it was physical or emotional abuse, or trauma, or even something genetic. That's the real cause. People with anorexia aren't obsessed with becoming thin. They already are thin, but refuse to accept it. The real issue is that they believe there is something wrong with them that must be fixed. If it wasn't weight, it would just be something else. |
| Jomb Posts: 392/448 |
"And I'm also curious as to things outside of weight alone people For example -- build (ie, athletic), shape (ie, pear) style/dress sense (ie, do you find a girl who shows off a lot of cleavage attractive, or offputting?) etc. Some women are really fussy about their skin... but I think freckles can be cute. And do guys even notice a girl's hair? C'mon people, there's more to this than just weight "
I prefer a woman with a slender build generally. Really muscular, like a man, is no good for me. But the shape is whats most important, particularly of the legs, tummy, ass, that whole area. A girl who shows off a lot of cleavage just comes off as cheap to me. I'd be worried I might catch something from her  I prefer her to have her own sense of style, something eccentric can get my interest. I really dislike the tanned look. I'm very attracted to very pale girls. If the girls skin is naturally dark that is fine, but sun-damaged skin is ugly to me. Hair is very important to me. I dont like her hair to be very short or butch (though pixie-type hair can be very attractive on some women). I'm a sucker for certain types of braids or pony-tails. I love dark hair, the blacker the better. I usually dont like blondes, but not always. Certain shades of blonde look really good on certain girls. Bleached blonde is repulsive. Dyed blue or pink is very cute sometimes if it goes with the girls style. I dont like tattoos on girls much, one or 2 cute ones is ok, but much more than that and she starts to look trashy. I love skirts or other types of garment which is very feminine, it does nothing for me when a girl wears men's clothing.
But even with all that, i have had crushes on girls before who did'nt even come close to this ideal, based on personality. Sometimes if a girl really seems to like me alot that boosts her attraction level to me, or if we have a lot in common or she is very adveturous and fun to be with then I'll become more attracted to her than her looks would normally warrant. I think the media image isn't there to be malicious or out of any agenda, I think its simple economics. If i put these sorts of people in my movie or advertisement, it sells, while if i put morbidly obese people in it it will not. Or imagine if they made a romantic comedy where the man had severe acne and yellow teeth and the woman was morbidly obese and had facial hair. It just would' nt sell. |
| geeogree Posts: 203/207 |
Guys get the exact same treatment in magazines and in many tv ads as girls do.
The "perfect" man has a six pack and big pectotral muscles. He's also hairless (somehow) and has perfect teeth. I guess I'm just trying to point out that guys get it too, just not to the same degree as girls do. |
| Arwon Posts: 473/631 |
There's actually another eating disorder called Orthorexia, it's relatively new. It's an obsession with eating healthy and being ultra fit and organic and so forth. It's a product of our times, every bit as annorexia.
It's also interesting how frequently self-harm and annorexia coincide, so much so that some think they're different manifestations of essentially the same problem. My own theory is that these disorders are driven by social and cultural pressures, that some people are just susceptable to them... but the precise form they take depends on the nature of the pressures faced. If we had different standards of beauty and behaviour, the disorders would be different, too. |
| Rydain Posts: 579/633 |
Originally posted by emceeI agree. People develop eating disorders for various reasons that don't relate to unrealistic beauty images: to punish themselves, to literally try to disappear, to be able to exert control over something when they feel powerless. Mentally healthy people might get down on themselves because of unrealistic beauty images, but that's not the same thing. It's like how an average person can have a shitty day and flippantly say that their life sucks, but that's a far cry from being suicidally depressed. Plus, how you feel about yourself in comparison to unrealistic beauty images depends on your own concept of how you want to look. I've always thought that athletic, muscular bodies looked awesome, and I always wanted to look like that myself. I don't know why. I just did. It wasn't like I ever had those images shoved down my throat. My dad did have weight lifting magazines with pictures of Ms. Olympia contenders on stage, but I never wanted to be THAT huge or lean. (And without one in a zillion genetics and major steroidal supplementation, I never will be.) And to go off on a tangent, the weight training required to get lean and muscular improved my self-image by making me proud of what my body can do, not just what it looks like. Way back when I first got into weight training, I thought it would be cool to be able to do a chin-up. For a while, I could dangle uselessly from the bar and maybe budge an inch if I were lucky. The first time I hauled myself all the way up felt AWESOME, and it feels awesome to slowly and steadily add more reps over time. I've also come back from a time when, due to inflexibility and assorted disproportionate muscle weaknesses, pretty much every upper body exercise hurt, and I was in rehab mode for a couple of months. It's difficult to get down on my body when I remember how far I've come over the years. |
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