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| emcee Posts: 783/867 |
Hey, this was a lighthearted debate about war, politics, capital punishment and public torture. Let's not have it turn ugly by bringing in competing game consoles. |
| Koryo Posts: 76/122 |
I hate to disappoint you if you are a Nintendo loyalist, but I believe only the X Box 360 can help us now. |
| Ziff Posts: 1578/1800 |
snes beat communism |
| Koryo Posts: 75/122 |
While I respect the latest gaming system from Nintendo as a significant leap foreword, I hardly think they can be of any help to us in Iraq. |
| Ziff Posts: 1576/1800 |
most sunni decry him as a monster...the fact of the matter is that wiis could've solved all of this! |
| Koryo Posts: 74/122 |
Here's another thing that I find funny (interesting? ironic?). Saddam was not a loved figurehead by anyone accept those select few (and certainly not all of the Sunnis) who were benefiting from his rule is some way, such as being given a position of power by Saddam. Now that he's dead, all of a sudden people are mourning the death of this "great man." Its just propaganda. The radical clerics in control of a militia, the Arab language news media propaganda outlets, and the foreign terrorist supporters are just using the situation to stir up more violence, because they want to see more chaos and death in Iraq. And here we are giving them credibility. Saddam was not, and should not have been, a martyr for anyone. He was almost unanimously hated (even by Iraqis). It is only now that he is "loved" because he has been trumped up as a brave man who resisted the evil American imperialists. Insanity.
I still maintain that it was the Iraqi's decision. |
| Arwon Posts: 569/631 |
I'm really struggling to work up an opinion about Hussein's hanging. It was always going to be happening, and frankly, the bigger concern is how EVERYTHING ELSE IN IRAQ is fucked up. Academic discussions about capital punishment are fine and all, but this was not in any way an important event in the context of the Iraq war. I'm sure a few jingoistic goons Stateside will temporarily think the war was a good idea because of it, but that won't last. Aside from adding one new grievance to the litany of grievances fuelling sectarian violence this whole episode accomplishes precisely nothing. |
| Koryo Posts: 69/122 |
Perhaps a more precise word would have been "ironic", or "interesting." |
| emcee Posts: 779/867 |
Originally posted by Silvershield I didn't say he wasn't a troll. Originally posted by Koryo You have an odd sense of humor. |
| Koryo Posts: 67/122 |
I am not for public torture. Hopefully I didn't have to say that, but I said it anyway. I am mildly in favor of the death penalty, because it gives closure. The argument that the death penalty deters crime sounds logical, but I haven't seen any statistics proving that, and few are ever likely to be accurately compiled. Still, the death penalty adds closure. I believe that the US criminal justice system (at least for murder, rape, and such) should punish the guilty and protect the innocent, not rehabilitate the guilty. If you are a murderer, I want to feel safe knowing that you are no longer out on the streets. If you are dead or behind bars, then I'm fairly certain that you can't kill me. The reason I support the death penalty is because murderers and rapists are released from prison, if not often, then far more often than they should be, after which they commit more of the same crimes. If you are given a lethal injection, then there is no chance you will be released and allowed to become a repeat offender. Prisoners are sometimes released on "good behavior" or because the prisons are becoming over crowded. I'm not talking about the death penalty for petty theft and vandalism, but murder and rape, certainly. Do I think the death penalty is essential for America? No. But I am rather upset and abortionist hypocrites who protest the death penalty but think nothing of killing an unborn baby. I would be happy to give up the death penalty if they would give up abortion in trade.
As for Saddam, I find it funny that people are more upset that Saddam was hanged than they were about Saddam's victims. |
| Ziff Posts: 1564/1800 |
Weeeeee! Bureaucratic inefficiency and massive undersight! |
| Alkis Posts: 47/54 |
Originally posted by netscapeOriginally posted by Alkis In that case, punishments that deal permanent damage will not be dealt. But police would have to use a lot more of evidence to find the right person. |
| MathOnNapkins Posts: 1042/1106 |
DUH He's a troll |
| Silvershield Posts: 522/587 |
Originally posted by emceeOr he's a troll. |
| Tommathy Posts: 328/339 |
There are already *numerous* examples of prison guard corruption, negligence, incompetence, and maliciousness (read about Donny the Punk for an example of malice and corruption), do we really need to add to that mix the role of the torturer? |
| netscape Posts: 86/90 |
Originally posted by Alkis You're falsely convicted (it happens) of theft. Now you're gonna have your finger nails removed by wedging bamboo in them. Justify this. Because it will happen or something just as bad under your system. |
| emcee Posts: 778/867 |
I originally thought this public torture idea was a failed attempt a humor, but the since he's stuck with it so long, I figure he's either serious, or it's now become a successful attempt at humor. |
| MathOnNapkins Posts: 1041/1106 |
So it never occurred to you that someone could be wrongly convicted, or even convicted for a victimless crime like marijuana possession?
And let me get this straight - you wouldn't like to watch someone get tortured but you think it would be a good idea for other people to... what the fuck is wrong with you? |
| Alkis Posts: 44/54 |
I wouldn't like to watch someone getting tortured, but I would enjoy to know they are paying dearly for their stupid choices, and everyone out there is warned to not make stupid choices, or else... |
| Ziff Posts: 1558/1800 |
Yeah, but you're what we call a sadist |
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