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| Ice Man Posts: 327/348 |
Gotta agree with Pac.  Anyway, if you choose a moderator, be sure you choose the right persons.  I would like to help out SMWCentral in any way I can. I'm not asking to be a moderato over there or whatever, just saying that I wouldn't mind helping you guys. |
| Pac Posts: 674/804 |
Originally posted by AtmaThe n00bs these days make me miss DAVALLR.  |
| Atma Posts: 26/57 |
Just don't let DAVALLAR become a Moderator and we're ok. |
| Boom.dk Posts: 304/356 |
Haha. Never. Wouldn't dream of it. |
| Techokami Posts: 298/303 |
Originally posted by Boom.dk For the love of god don't hire Remoga if that's what you're going to do |
| Atma Posts: 19/57 |
well yeah, not to take faggot in a literal manner.
And hmm, maybe the stupid people weren't around much before because this place wasn't as well known. Also, questions that we consider stupid now weren't stupid back then, because we all were pretty new to editing SMW. So that's probably another reason. lol, I even remember writing a couple tutorials on editing gfx because people really needed the help back then. |
| Pac Posts: 672/804 |
Originally posted by Atma  ... Click me.
Anyway, why didn't these problems with stupid people arise years ago? Why is it only now that all of the idiots are arriving on the scene? |
| Atma Posts: 17/57 |
Originally posted by The Kins Be completely honest but not a complete asshole, and putting a little sarcasm in if it fits is ok as well. However also, we can't just put up with everyone's crap. Some people deserve compassion, and others need to be told to just gfto. If someone is retarded and insists on perstering the crap out of people, then they usually can't be helped and it would be a waste anyone's time to help them, so their situation then just becomes their own problem, and not our's as well. As for being nice, if someone really just made some mistakes whether or not they were pretty big and the person is generally not a faggot (everyone makes mistakes, even really bad ones), then that's when it's good to make them feel alright about it and that whatever they did isn't a huge prob. The issure here it seems is that people are thinking a little too much about how they should act towards someone in a situation and ends up doing the opposite because they're trying too hard to do the right thing, so they end up either nearly flamming someone, or making harsh comments when that person didn't do anything too bad, and also putting up with crap from people because they're trying to be too nice. |
| HyperHacker Posts: 3718/5072 |
Yeah, that 404 page is really something.  |
| Tatrion Posts: 2291/2467 |
Originally posted by Boom.dk One suggestion I thought of for that (to improve efficiency down the line) is for hack mods to be able to "call" testing a hack, so two mods don't both test the same hack and end up wasting time. Just my .02 american cents  |
| Kailieann Posts: 466/808 |
Just as long as you put finished hacks and demos in seperate sections.
That's the important part. |
| Boom.dk Posts: 302/356 |
Originally posted by The Kins That's what I thought as well, but I must admit that I'm quite fed up with all that crap posted in our forums and all those ugly hacks. 
Too nice would just letting them do whatever they want to without caring, too nasty would be not letting them do anything at all. The medium could be where we are rather strict, but at least give good, constructive criticism, ideas to improvement, etc. I know that's what you're all sick of because it takes so long for them to show any progress. I know that I've been way too nice with n00bs and I kind of regret it. I still think, however, that the n00b forum was a good idea so they can help eachother instead of us having to answer the same questions all the time. I like the star idea, but Raccoon Sam's seems very good, as well. I think that I will split hacks into 2 sections, though. On approval hacks should be sorted as either hacks that you actually won't die from playing or utter crap. Then we might need more hack moderators because it would be required to at least play the hacks before deciding. I dunno, but I totally agree that we've been overrun by shit. |
| Kiwisauce Posts: 20/41 |
Originally posted by Raccoon Sam Well, this could take a very long time, and there's still the problem of what to do if a hack doesn't make it through. Deleting it would be bad. Also, this is giving the decision to only a few people, and I don't really like that idea. I think the current system is okay, but with some changes to the ratings system as have been mentioned before and a better way to sort through the hacks, it could be greatly improved on. |
| The Kins Posts: 332/352 |
Originally posted by asdfEXACTLY! Look at lego's first hack, Wirtual Mission I think it was? Anyway, it was fucking atrocious. But the last hack he released here before getting banned was, while not great, quite playable, and more worthy of constructive criticism instead of outright lulz. Everyone can improve, it's just that we're either too nice or too nasty. I'm not sure what the happy medium would be, though. |
| Raccoon Sam Posts: 796/1040 |
Perhaps a some kind of a voting system, such as in Newgrounds?
Before the Hack could make it to the portal, a certain amount of members would vote on it on rating 1 - 10, and if it reached over a certain score, it'd make it through. Sounds good, yes, no? |
| x1372 Posts: 10/25 |
I definitely agree that something there needs to change, but at least having a place to upload any and all hacks is a good thing. Even the truly bad hacks may have a few good ideas. though obviously not many are going to want to have to deal with them.
One of the bigger problems, as I see it, is that there really isn't much of a good way to really tell which ones are truly good and which are terrible under the current system and really sort accordingly - the current voting system isn't very useful. Sorting by rating doesn't really help me much in that regard. The fact that currently Super Demo World isn't even in the top 5, and that nearly all hacks fall between 5 and 6.5 show that this really isn'ta good system of ratings. One other thing I'd like to see is a seperation between full games and demos. Demos are nice, but I think they should be organized and rated seperately from completed hacks. Though I have to say, the highlights I'm seeing here make me feel a LITTLE better about my own current levels in my "nowhere near demo ready" work in progress. |
| spel werdz rite Posts: 1568/1796 |
Originally posted by Pac  Hacks rated 7-8
 Hacks rated 9-10
Of course, you guys do seem to be right on the voting stuff. So maybe it should be the Mod's/Admin's rating choice. |
| HyperHacker Posts: 3634/5072 |
Originally posted by asdf Even better, when you post your comment you choose a rating in various categories - levels, music, graphics, etc. Just don't make the fatal mistake so many of these systems make - allow rating fields to be left blank and comments to be posted without rating. It sucks when systems make you rate something that doesn't apply (game review sites making you rate the levels in Electroplankton or the music in Duke Nukem 64), or make you add a rating with every post (Firefox extension database), throwing off the ratings. |
| Kiwisauce Posts: 19/41 |
I'm totally for putting the bad hacks in a seperate section, but I say definitely don't delete them. Maybe some people actually like playing those hacks, and SMW Central shouldn't just get rid of them because most people say they're terrible. I agree about the rating system: pretty sad in its current state. |
| asdf Posts: 3505/4077 |
n00bs CAN learn, though. Even legoman showed signs of improvement, albeit at a snail's pace. Thing is, a good number of them won't or won't do so fast enough so it isn't worth the time it takes to be friendly to all idiots.
Nevertheless, many of the hacks at SMW Central are crappy, and it doesn't help that the rating system is kind of broken (most non-glitchy or screwy hacks get 5.0-7.0, and there are downvoters ahoy). It may cause tension, but I would suggest making it so that votes can be seen, and make it so people must leave a comment to vote. I just know a good number of votes are low ones left by idiots out of spite. Knowing which ones are doing this can help with differenting between ones doing it out of opinion and ones doing it just because they're dicks. |
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