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| Glyphodon Posts: 401/536 |
Originally posted by emceeOriginally posted by asdf pwned. |
| emcee Posts: 604/867 |
Originally posted by asdf Yes, I am. |
| Metal Man88 Posts: 351/701 |
Originally posted by Glyph Phoenix I may have gotten into strange arguments with him before, but he makes a point. And don't say I'm inexperienced; I've used almost every version of Windows as well as three Linux versions, and I've also used Macs. I don't care what it is, I just want it to hold my files. Now, on the other hand, back ON TOPIC, this class XK has is quite misleading. This man, here, appears to be teaching closed-box HTMLing rather than how to code. Note: All three finals examples look NEARLY THE SAME. Plenty to talk about there. |
| Glyphodon Posts: 395/536 |
I am about to reveal the secret behind all operating systems. Listen closely.
Are you ready? They're all the fucking same. Linux running X windows system, Mac OS. They're all just a bunch of windows strewn about a desktop with things on the desktop you can click, rename, etc. There's directories. There's executables. Look under the hood and most API calls, if different, are all designed to accomplish the same things. Everybody uses the same command line directory system too. Oh, and browsers, guess what? |
| asdf Posts: 3614/4077 |
Originally posted by emcee ... You have got to be kidding me. RC is one of the worst, according to many people I've heard from across the web, and if what you alledge is true, there'd be so many people cruel to animals and children that it shouldn't even be considered a crime.  |
| emcee Posts: 596/867 |
You know, one of these days were all going to have to accept no one's ever going to convince anyone else that their favorite browser, running on their favorite operating system, running on their hardware is the best way to experience the web.
Once we've done that we can move on to more important debates, like which brand of cola is the best. Which, by the way, is RC, and anyone who disagrees is not only backwards and ignorant, but most likely cruel to animals and small children. |
| KiLLMasTer Posts: 29/38 |
FireFox is the best thats all i got to say and its been fun reading the post. |
| niteice Posts: 24/45 |
Originally posted by FreeDOS + What about FreeBSD? I was using it for a couple weeks as a desktop, and it actually worked pretty much the same way Slackware did - no frills, it just works (except for the do-it-yourself bit  ).
Speaking of which, I decided to switch to Kubuntu yesterday just to see what all the hype was about. It is niiiiiiiiiiiiice - this coming from someone who's been using Slackware/Slamd64 for almost 4 years now. |
| Kasumi-Astra Posts: 134/258 |
OS X is great. Full stop. It's not as configurable as Linux but it's much more powerful than Windows and will just work hard in the background without you even knowing it's there. It's good in that respect. You can just do what you're doing without inhibition and OS X will just make everything easy.
Does that make me a n00b? No, I run Linux on my laptop. Two people I know at university (one a lecturer) have puchased Macs this year, they're both fully competant Linux users. Anybody who has an agenda against an opperating system (perhaps even including XP) is trying to inflate their e-peen, and probably don't even know what they're talking about. |
| Xkeeper Posts: 4232/5653 |
I went 59 days without rebooting my machine, mostly so I could install new hardware.
(of course, the random power outage helps none) |
| Kailieann Posts: 470/808 |
"A whole month"?
<.< I've gone several months at a time without rebooting my machine (XP pro), and it's never caused any problems. |
| HyperHacker Posts: 3741/5072 |
Haha, a whole month? You did well. You can sometimes get away with restarting services, but rebooting entirely is easier. |
| FreeDOS + Posts: 920/1312 |
Originally posted by asdf Security isn't the only reason, but it's a good one, especially if you're running a corporate server. Also, there's no need for apology, you didn't do anyting wrong. |
| Ailure Posts: 1998/2602 |
Mac OS X is BSD under the hood though. I seen many guides for Mac OS X that uses the terminal, although thoose are obviously for more advanced users.
And what I hate with Windows is the "no peeking" thing. I had at times problems with my Windows OS that was fixed with a reboot but was quite sure that I would fix in Linux and BSD with a command. :/ Like a really stupid TCP/IP bug... where Windows would refuse some programs making new connections becuse it thought they were maxed out. Sometimes I wasn't running anything else but a browser, and this still happened. Fixxed only by a restart. Oh yeah, this was after a month of uptime though. |
| Guy Perfect Posts: 375/451 |
I can't think of many open-source programs that have significant security problems (or at least ones that don't go corrected). Linux included. Windows and Mac OS simply lock themselves down, preventing software from doing certain things, in order to protect the user who undoubtedly clicked the "Next" button a hundred times to install their DVD ripper without noticing they also installed spamware. |
| asdf Posts: 3583/4077 |
I was thinking that one would use Linux or OpenBSD or something over Windows or Macintosh because of security reasons. Allowing them to have more control makes more sense, however. And I understand it's a matter of prefrences. I guess I understand you now that you've explained why. I apologize for my actions.
My main concern with OSes other than Windows is the sacrifice of all that software that Windows offers. There are alternative versions and replacements, but not everything is available. Like you said, one of these is emulation and ROM hacking. Actually, come to think of it, that's pretty much the only problem I've had with OSes besides Windows and Macintosh. If it weren't for that I would likely consider using one myself. |
| Guy Perfect Posts: 374/451 |
Yeah, I wouldn't know. I haven't updated since 1.5. Though it looks like SeaMonkey is essentially the same thing. Still, it's not Firefox, which is the point I was trying to make. |
| FreeDOS + Posts: 916/1312 |
And what reasons are you thinking? I've always been curious exactly, Windows-users always talk like the other operating systems are somehow "bad" or "not as good", yet I never fully understood that thought process. Trade-off? I haven't traded much at all for using this operating system; possibly, it's not quite as supported in the emulation/ROM-hacking scene as Windows is, but that's mostly the developers of emulation and hacking tools' fault for supporting vendor lock-in.
I started using OpenBSD because I grew tired of Linux; always pushing forward, little care in fixing existing features. Though you use the term "alternative OS" as if Windows were the "primary OS"; in truth, I used OpenBSD as an alternative to Linux (this is of course very person-specific; some people might in fact pick it as an alternative to Windows, or other operating systems (I suppose it'd be possible to use obsd as a first operating system, though I imagine it's unlikely)). Glyph: Ah, I am not surprised you expected me to use FreeDOS. Actually, my username is stuck from a very old fad on Acmlm's, I liked the name better than plain Mike, so I decided not to have it changed back (and then the plus was added because of something Xkeeper did to have everyone who visted a certain page have + suffixed to their name; I never took the time to as it to be changed back, plus it somewhat differenciates me from the operating system). I had FreeDOS 1.0 installed to my hard disk about a week ago, it lasted three days. It was a nice novelty OS, but I wouldn't use it primarily; plus DOS is just weird... I'm used to Unix-like OSes. Guy Perfect: the Mozilla Application Suite is officially discountinued, not even security updates are to be made anymore. The Foundation has recommended those who preferred to instead move onto SeaMonkey  |
| Guy Perfect Posts: 373/451 |
Mac OS (believe it or not, X is not the first iteration) and, to a lesser extent, Windows, are geared towards proving that the world is technologically dumb as a fother-mucking brick as much as Intel would have you believe they're the only manufacturer of processors. Take Xkeeper's instructor, for example. He's the kind of guy who remembers DOS like a goldfish remembers... well, more than six seconds ago.
So what makes Linux "nerds and certain types of software developers"-only? Is it the bash command line interface? No, you can change it; must not be. Is it the Tux mascot? Probably not, since I have yet to see him inside any distribution once installed. It's just an alternate operating system, favored by nerds and software developers because it allows them more control than Mac OS or Windows, and is not proprietary like Unix. The trade-off, asdf, is a matter of preference. Most people stick with Windows because it's the primary target for the software that people use the most. Mac OS simply is what comes on Apple's machines, which is the hip way to go. More elite than the business suit-wearing, right mouse-clicking dorks from the Microsoft branch of the building. Personally, I run Windows as the primary system on my personal computer because like I mentioned, software targets the platform. On my servers, however, I'll use Debian exclusively for its configurability and stability. I rebooted my servers nigh daily when they were running Windows, but currently... Uptime: 27 days, 12:48 for my server. And that's just because 27 days, 12:48 ago, there was a power outage. Also, along the lines of what this topic was about and what Ailure said... I myself find it sad that people think it's all about Internet Explorer, Firefox and Opera. Were you guys aware that Mozilla also sports another browser that I prefer over Firefox? |
| asdf Posts: 3580/4077 |
Originally posted by Ailure Hey, they are the most common ones. I haven't even heard of OpenBSD until now. Nevertheless, OpenBSD would fall under the "only nerds and certain developers" use it category. I can understand some of the reasons for using such an alternative OS, but is the trade-off worth it? You tell me. |
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