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| Rom Manic Posts: 385/557 |
It is easy to say such things as an outsider, but as is many an example in war, you weren't there. Things were done and kept a secret out of loyalty and in all honesty, I personally would rather not know than cast a judgement on Foley. |
| Young Guru Posts: 162/279 |
There are many differences in the circumstances. For one, I don't think pot should be illegal and if you smoke it you're not hurting others (well, no more than if you drink or smoke cigarettes). If you're doing what Foley was doing to those pages you are really screwing up people's lives. Stuff like that can really screw up a kid. Especially if Foley had been told to stop and didn't. I understand the loyalty of friends, but for me it stops when you're messing up other people's lives in such an agregious way as Foley was. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 384/557 |
I won't go into any personal attacks, but being a friend is pretty much all you can do for some people. If your friend smokes pot, you're gonna call the cops? If not, you'd still call them in for this? What kind of hypocrisy is that? |
| Young Guru Posts: 160/279 |
Um, if your friend is abusing children, then yes, you should turn them in. If someone I was closed to did that I wouldn't even think twice, especially if I had told them to stop and they didn't. Definitely negligence in the eyes ifthe law at least. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 380/557 |
DR_Death16: I don't think it's so much as he did nothing as he was not trying to betray a friends trust. We all have secrets, and we all carry the secrets of friendship, experiences we go through sometimes just don't make it onto the dinner table, you know? It may have been wrong, if you're looking for someone else to blame other than Mr. Foley himself, but I would never, in my wildest dreams, betray my best friend. Not ever. |
| Jomb Posts: 359/448 |
"Which part is worse.... the fact that the person involved was underage, or the same gender as the politician?"
to me the worst part is that these teens are wards of the state and Foley is an authority figure supposed to be watching over them. |
| Dr_Death16 Posts: 515/970 |
Originally posted by geeogree...this thread isn't about Foley. We all know he's ridiculously sick and twisted. It doesn't matter what we think was worse. This is about Denny Hastert, who knew about what was going on and did nothing when he had the power to pull the plug on the freak years ago. So this question is all but irrelevant... ugh. |
| Sinfjotle Posts: 1457/1697 |
You got something against gays geeogree? |
| geeogree Posts: 194/207 |
the point I was making was that it seems like everyone feels the need to draw "Bush" into any political discussion and immediately that makes their point stronger and the opposition weaker. Eventhough this has NOTHING to do with Bush.
I have a question: Which part is worse.... the fact that the person involved was underage, or the same gender as the politician? |
| Rom Manic Posts: 365/557 |
I wasn't bashing, I was using them in a related reference to how in politics there is always a scapegoat for everything and in this particular case it is Mr. Hastert, and in previous threads (Like you have exemplified) it was the Bush Administration. |
| Dr_Death16 Posts: 505/970 |
This is eerily typical of this forum--began the topic of something completely unrelated to the Presidency (it's about one of those other braches of government-hint  ) and it ends up back on the same-old and boring Bush hating track.
*Dr_Death16 sighs |
| Rom Manic Posts: 363/557 |
Or maybe how the Bush Administration is taking the fall for alot of things lately? |
| Sinfjotle Posts: 1450/1697 |
I think he was trying to point out how the Bush Administration hasn't take responsibility for anything yet and has just shoved all the blames onto others. |
| Arwon Posts: 400/631 |
Nah, sorry. That was a pretty worthless contribution geeog. |
| geeogree Posts: 191/207 |
Originally posted by Rom Manic wow.... you make it sound like all bad political things happen under Bush... Jump off the "OMFG BUSH IS HITLER" train already |
| Young Guru Posts: 153/279 |
So, Pat Buchanan offered his two cents of completely ignorant speech to this debacle, "Political correctness is to blame for all this," Pat Buchanan says. "We can no longer say what is true. Foley's behaviour was ignored because our Republican leaders were fearful of being accused of homophobia."
I totaly agree with Jomb in being completely fed up with those in power not being able to take responsibility for their errors. It's says quite a lot about our elected officials that their first reaction to anything is to find someone to blame for the problem. Why not be mature and instead of looking for someone to blame start looking for ways that you can fix the problem. Little question for anyone who cares to respond. Congressmen still want the page program to continue but if you were a parent would you ever let your child go off to be a page for a congressman? I know I wouldn't, but I probably wouldn't have let my child go even before this came about. I wouldn't want my children to have people like these as their role models. |
| Jomb Posts: 357/448 |
What I thought was ludicrous was when Hastert claimed it was all the Democrats and Soros fault. Like they somehow showed up and forced Foley to write IMs to this teen. I'm very sick of the people in power constantly trying to blame other people for their mistakes and/or hiding them.
I read that the messages were sent to the FBI way back in July, so it's not like Democratic Operatives were keeping this quiet till just now. If i came across such a thing and sent it to the FBI I'd figure that was the end of my responsibility in the matter. |
| Young Guru Posts: 151/279 |
That's what needs to be determined, how much Hastert knew and when. He said that he knew about overly friendly messages sent by Foley in 2004, to which Hastert told Foley to knock it off. Now, I have no idea exactly what "overly friendly" means, and if that is all he knew then, well, he didn't really do anything wrong. If he knew of anything more, then he is an acomplist in my eyes. And I think it's interesting that Hastert said he first heard about it in 2004, but it came out a couple of days ago that he recieved knews of it in 2003. Now why would you lie about something like that unless you were trying to cover it up. I'm to the point where I think it's the responsibility of all politicians to prove that they are NOT guilty as opposed to assuming they are innocent.
An interesting thing I've heard some people say is that democrats might have had this information for a while and then held onto it till right before elections. I really hope this isn't true, but if it is that's worse than republicans trying to cover it up. Where as republicans are letting something continue to go on while protecting their own, the democrats would be using the misfortune of a young child as a weapon for improving their positions while letting the act continue. I really hope this isn't true but with politicians I wouldn't put it past them. All I can say to this, and just about everything else going on in american politics nowadays is BAH. edit: I need to clarify, I have no evidence to back up the previous paragraph about democrats holding onto this information for self improvement and everything I've heard is just speculation. It could just be republican sympathizers attacking democrats for all I know, but it could be true. edit 2: I just found one of the e-mail exchanges, and I think it is the "overly friendly" one because there was no actual IM sex, but it was more than just overly friendly in my book. I'm not gonna go into details, but the things that were discussed and stated by Foley were things that would make a parent beat down on someone for saying to their child (or would easily be filed as sexual harasement by any competant, and even incompetant, HR department at a company). If this is the e-mail that Hastert had back in 2004 then he should resign and should be held responsible for not exposing this earlier. If you want to see it, just google "foley e-mail" and it should pop up close to the top. |
| Dr_Death16 Posts: 475/970 |
Originally posted by Young GuruThe whole problem was how Hastert handled the situation, though, and he admitted to doing a less than good job in doing so. Also, I made this thread on the understood premise that Foley was indeed a sick freak and that this fact was unrefutable, which is why I wasn't really even thinking about what we think about him, its a foregone conclusion. I'm just more worried about how Hastert is screwing things up in the House, because this looks a bit like explicit corruption (rumors have said to surface where Hastert knew about this Republican Foley's sick activities since 2003). |
| Rom Manic Posts: 356/557 |
Taking the fall for someone else's problems is just politics. Thats the way it works, sometimes *cough*Bush Administration*cough*
By the time elections roll in, this will be a comma (Kudo's to anyone who watched the Daily Show last night). |
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