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I remember once finding a post on a private board of a method called the Suneye method which apparantly has a very high success rate, and can also be used for Astral projection. Here it is, for thse who are interested.


The method I will be describing later has been said to have a 95%+ success rate. It was successful for me and is really no harm, so might as well try it. But first, let me get some other stuff out the way.

Disclaimer: I'm not claiming you'll actually project yourself into the real world or that it's even possible, this is strictly for entertainment purposes. I'm well aware this is probably nothing more than a trick of the mind, but I don't see anything wrong with that if it's all for fun. We aren't trying to cure a disease here. Also, any references to being in the real world from this point on can be interpretted as being in a world created by your mind very similar to the real world, in other words, your perception of the world.

Disclaimer2: I am not responsible for any psychological breakdowns which occur from this. Note that if you have heart problems or any serious medical conditions, you should not attempt this as I have no idea how this affects such things since breathing is apparently altered in doing this. Finally, I abstain from taking responsibility for you freaking out over the things you experience and feel.

(For those who don't care about background information, just skip to the section entitled "Method:" for the actual procedure.)

Definitions:

Lucid Dreaming(From Wikipedia) - Lucid dreaming is the conscious perception of one's state while dreaming, resulting in a much clearer ("lucid") experience and usually enabling direct control over the content of the dream.

Astral Projection(From Wikipedia) - Astral projection (or astral travel) is an interpretation of out-of-body experiences (OBEs) achieved either consciously or via lucid dreaming

Etheric Projection - Astral projection into the real world

Projector - The person in the form of their astral body which is a "projection" of either their physical body or their thoughts(Projectors can change their form at will, although others can easily see through such disguises)

Astral Plane - Different spiritual worlds. Kind of like dreams that anyone and everyone can enter.

Background: Firstly, Lucid Dreaming is something many of us have experienced. Essentially, it is a very clear dream, almost real. Often, the person has complete control of the dream. The method I am going to be describing later is a method of obtaining such a dream. But this method is also used to Astral Project. Astral Projection is a somewhat debated phenomenon which some discount as being simply a uncontrollable Lucid Dream. However, many say it is instead the process of leaving your body and traveling to another realm. These other realms are dreamlike, but like our world, they do not exist in one mind. Even further, some Projectors believe they can stay in our realm while projected and be somewhat of a ghost. Interactions are limited to seeing possibilities and giving others a sense that you were there. Of course, these are written off by many as to be false, simply. But, some people live and breath by it. The terms of astral travel are very complex: an astral cord connecting you to your body, emotions controlling every action you take immediately, emotions being expressed 100%(many cry and achieve extreme happiness in it), and of course other spirits. But that isn't why you're reading this. You want to know how and the rest will follow later.

To put some worries out of the way for weary projectors:
-You cannot lose your body. As said earlier, the astral cord connects your astral body to your regular body.
-Another person cannot steal your body. Though it has been said that if you give them permission, they can. Unsure of the validity of this
-If your astral cord is cut, you will not die. Actually, they say it can't be cut. Any tug will snap you back into your body and for some it is even invisible.

But... figuring out what is BS and what isn't is not the point of this. What we are looking for is entertainment, right? So take this as entertainment value and not super serious "I'm better than everyone because I can fly around Paris and Hell without leaving my bedroom"

Now onto the good part... the method

Method:

Caution: The end result of this method is sleep paralysis(the door to Astral Projection). This is, to many, a very scary phenomenon best described as mind awake, body asleep. As the description says, the body is asleep. It is unmovable. No matter how hard you try, you won't be able to move your body. This leads to many thinking they are dead and having a panic attack, which then leads to hallucinations. But knowing it will come will save you from such. I'm telling you right now, you WILL be paralyzed. Don't fear the inevitable, especially when it won't hurt you. When it happens, just relax and let it pass.

The Suneye method(as I've heard it) is pretty simple. As a precursor, the preceding day should not be stressful and you shouldn't have any appointments on the following day. This is to ensure stress free sleep. The sleep is not to be interrupted, so make sure you won't be. The day you are going to try it should be a normal day and you should go to sleep at a normal time.

1. Go to sleep for 5 hours. Set an alarm clock to wake you up.

2. Stay awake for 20 minutes to an hour. Don't eat or drink anything. It is recommended that you read some stuff concerning Lucid Dreaming/Astral projection(whichever is your focus of this) to stay focused

3. Get back in bed. Lay in a comfortable position facing upwards with your hands to your sides

4. Close your eyes and look towards the middle of your forehead(where some would describe to be the location of the third eye). This may be a little of a strain, but that's how it's supposed to be.

5. Repeat a phrase indicating your intentions 15-30 times while still looking towards your forehead. ex "I will have a lucid dream. I will remember everything that happens during this dream. I will be in full control of this dream." x 20.

6. Now relax your eyes and begin counting up from 1. This is to help you go to sleep. Many people find it hard to fall back to sleep after being up and moving for 20 minutes after such a long sleep.

And that's it! Now you will have some extremely fucked up dreams, likely. Finally, you'll have a lucid dream(you'll know because it will feel real/different from the others). You'll be in full control of this dream and can then choose whether you want to stay in dreamland or attempt Projection. Whatever you choose will have the same result eventually: You will "wake up"

When you wake up, you'll be paralyzed. This will last for a few seconds before you beging to feel a rapid shaking. DON'T PANIC! Your body isn't actually shaking, it's all in your head. If you don't wish to Project, let the shaking subside on it's own. If you do, you have to learn to control the "vibrations". It's hard to describe, but you have to get it to move like a wave through your body. Use your mind to guide it until it moves rhythmatically through your body. Then finally, you can use whatever your favorite method of exiting the body is. I recommend the simple swing method which involves you imagining you're at a known park on a known swing, swinging realistically. Keep swinging higher and higher until you reach the highest point. Swing once more and JUMP! If you're successfully, you'll jump right out of your body and into the astral world. Be careful as your emotions will immediately take control and send you wherever you desire. If you get scared and wish to return to your body, wiggle your big toe.

And that's that. Either you decided to Project or you allowed sleep paralysis to subside. Oh! And if you fuck up exiting/controlling the vibrations, you'll black out. This is common, so don't worry about it. It will just be like dreamless sleep.

Summary: This post describes a method for achieving entertainment in dreams/etc. If you just want to read the method, please scroll back up to the bolded section entitled "Method:"
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Xkeeper
Posts: 4155/5653
Originally posted by HyperHacker
And of course I've only had 3 in my life, years apart; never successfully caused one.

there's supposedly some methodology that can raise your chances of having a lucid dream (see also wikipeduh: lucid dreaming).

I haven't had any chance to try it but it seems like it might be interesting, if nothing else
Aiya
Posts: 97/164
I tend to remember my dreams a lot. Sometimes I wish I didn't. heh. >>

Oh, and I have 'lucid dreams' a lot. :< Where I can kind of vaguely control what I do, and whatnot. I daydream a lot too. XD Especially in boring classes.

(And no, I'm not talking about what any of them are, because there are just toooo many. ..And other stuff. *whistles and wanders away*)
HyperHacker
Posts: 3665/5072
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I've only had one lucid dream so far (that ended seconds after I said "Hey, cool, I'm dreaming")...

All 3 of my lucid dreams went like this:
*something odd happens*
Me: Hey, that makes no sense... I must be dreaming!
*I fly into the air*
*I wake up after 2 seconds of flight*
I think the realization that I'm defying physics wakes me up. People say it's best to start small and just get a feel for controlling your dream before you do anything crazy. Thing is my memory isn't really operational at that point so I never recall this advice or my past experiences, so the first thing I do is always flying.
And of course I've only had 3 in my life, years apart; never successfully caused one. I don't remember them all but I know in every case my brain's logic system turned back on, causing me to realize something didn't make sense and I thus must be dreaming. (In the one I remember, I saw a dog of mine that had died a few months ago, and realized she was quite alive despite having died before.) Normally I never get that "WTF, this makes no sense" trigger in dreams, no matter how little sense things make, which leads me to believe the logic system is turned off.

Hey, come to think of it, that would explain why all logic melts away and goes out the window when I get really really sleepy (start thinking the cat has a Z80 CPU or something).
SantaMushroom
Posts: 149/245
... That's just crazy. Slapping a cow?
Raccoon Sam
Posts: 798/1040
I saw a dream once where I was on one farm and my job was to slap cow's asses.
I got money from it. Approx. 1 € a slap.

It was pretty weird and all that, but years after the dream, As me and my friend were walking down the street, My friend saw an old friend of his, and promised to give me 1 € if I'd slap her ass. The girl had a white coat with black spots on it.


I was pretty scared that moment.
Xkeeper
Posts: 4113/5653
Most of my dreams are forgotten too fast to remember.

I did have a few that I can still remember specific details of to this day (even some, uh, embarassing ones, but still)..

None of mine have any meaning that I can readily attribute to anything, though a few of mine could be considered pretty weird (like driving with my father on a freeway, only to end up careening off the end of the road hundreds of feet in the air) or just plain fucked up (watching my "real" self walk out my bedroom door, then watching my dream avatar walking out behind it, following it inthe 3rd person, and then exiting my house onto a giant hilll and turning around to find it's disappeared... there's more weirdness (best memory of a dream yet) but that's all for now)

...

I've had a few where I've, say, sat on my father's small brick wall with a board member and conversed about LUE... heh

I've only had one lucid dream so far (that ended seconds after I said "Hey, cool, I'm dreaming")...

...

Interestingly, I did have an interesting experience today. I seem to have fallen asleep, but I wasn't actually sleeping but I couldn't move at all (nor did I -want- to -- I was just unable to care) ... I don't remember all of it but I just laid there for hours doing nothing, not sleeping but not being awake either.

....

Yeah...
Ailure
Posts: 1954/2602
In one dream I almost couldn't see anything, everything was black though there was a fade slight hint of light but it as like my eyes were closed and I felt a little paralyzed and trapped. If I tried to get up, it was like I was back in bed a second later. Took a few seconds to wake up from, and that was probably the worst part becuse I probaby paniced. I'm not surprised if I even screamed before I woke up, but I never heard that. I still have a suspcioun that I did somehow...
HyperHacker
Posts: 3617/5072
I'd talk to a psychiatrist about that one. As for the bridge, mine were just odd, no death involved.
gaara8591
Posts: 97/164
What would repetivly dreaming about being a ax murderer mean... and i use to have nightmares about one bridge that constintly killed me
HyperHacker
Posts: 3598/5072
Get rid of them? Dude, you can do anything you want in a lucid dream. Turn it into a fantasy!

Hm, last night I dreamed my, my mom and my brother were all walking to some foreign country. We headed North until we hit Sweden (I should mention I live in Canada ), which took all day but felt like a 20-minute walk. My brother played Game Boy along the way and I commented on how GBC can toggle its CPU speed or something. When we arrived late at night we stopped at some random person's house (a friend's, I suppose) to sleep, but all we really ended up doing was watching TV, drinking, and running from a pair of bees which I thought had some connection to the ARM7 and ARM9 processors in a Nintendo DS. (Probably from watching Invader Zim before bed; he had a run-in with a bee as well.)

Of course having never been to Sweden I have no idea what it looks like or what the language sounds like, so in my dream it looked just like Canada (one of the places there was actually a place here) and everyone spoke English. I didn't meet anyone from the board but they came up briefly in conversation.

This was an interesting demonstration of those "half-dreams" I mentioned in another thread. As I was waking up I had a small conversation with myself in my dream. "Wait, why is everyone speaking English?" "Because how can I dream about a language I don't know?" "Oh crap that's right, this is just a dream isn't it" *wakes up*

Crazy.
spiroth10
Posts: 70/145
ugh, dreams... you think those ones are scary...
ever hear of "lucid dreaming"? if not go check wikipedia.

I happen to have been getting constant vivid NIGHTMARES. they also have many "false awakenings" in them (also, check wikipedia) and many = 2-5 times in one dream.

I KNOW they're lucid dreams because Im like "oh shit, not another one of these dreams [or nightmares]..." right when they start.

Im not sure how many times I actually woke up last night, because they always appear right in my bed, (most of the time) in an exact replica of my room, with people/tv/music/full interaction with everything as if it were the real world. it gets even scarier because I just moved and my mind has seemingly recorded my new home already (a bit less than a month now).

the only way I've found to (quite literally) wake myself up from these nightmares is to start by envisioning a name of someone and focusing totally on that. At first, I usually cannot speak the name of whomever it is. then I focus harder, and start to whisper the name, and continue on until I'm yelling in the dream, and in real life too. it sort of establishes a connection to my conscious from my unconscious mind, thus bringing me to an awake, however startled, state.

I can even remember the dreams for some time (until my short term memory throws them away).

I don't care what psycology says, I for one know it to be true. It happens to me all the time, and I think it's because Im highly stressed out, angry, jealous, scared, and full of all sorts of greed and desires, all at the same time, every day. Im not sure if there is a correlation between my emotions and these dreams though -- for the dreams do not mimic my emotions, but try to simulate (a more horrific) version of real life.

It's so wiered... it seems more like traveling to a parallel universe than a dream.
they continue on if I go back to sleep too. Every time, until I fall asleep for the 3rd or fourth time. Hell, I don't even need an alarm clock anymore, because I constantly wake up (with or without the dreams) about an hour earlier than it goes off (every day too, no matter when I fall asleep).


it gets annoying too. I never seem to get any rest from those dreams, and I have to continue on with school/practice/stuff I want to do.

there was one point last summer, where I was having similar dreams like that every day for more than a month. and they were NOT the same dreams -- just all vivid, and nightmares.

and no, I'm not on any drugs at all. nor have I been in any recent time period. (had perscriptions, like, 10+ years ago).

I dont know if you guys will believe me or not, just telling my story...

but if anyone thinks they can help me get rid of these horrific things, please do tell me.
Koitenshin +∞
Posts: 504/873
"Time flows like a river and history repeats"
I dunno it sounded good.

I keep dreaming of this old castle that is full of antique suits of armor but in my dream they are all shiny and brand new like they were just forged.
HyperHacker
Posts: 3586/5072
For maybe a year or two I had a dream taking place at this old bridge in town at least once a month. Never did find out why.
Tanks
Posts: 249/596
This is scary... I have those old house dreams too... In my dreams, I always want to relive my childhood days back at my old house (which just happens to be half a mile away from my new one... figure that...)
killer7
Posts: 31/62
I dream about this house I used to live back in 2000 through 2002 and the dreams are random, but its where I lived back then and these dreams I've been having about the house I've lived in those years tells me to comeback for some reason. I have them more than any other random dream. Maybe I should go back to where I lived those years just to get the feeling back because those years were the best. Anyone you people have the same issue when having a dream then tells you to go back their because you've been having almost the same dream than any other dream?
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