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Originally posted by ||bass
Originally posted by Croxadon
I'm talking about the fact that this isn't in the United States. He uhh, has no right to even hold the trial.
Actually he does. A US federal court, at least according to US law, has jurisdiction over Saturn. There IS legal history that supports this. Recall the case of the Russian citazen who cracked the Adobe eBook encryption while he was in Russia. Russian citazen in Russia. At one point, he was vacationing in the US and, upon arrival, was immediately arrested and sent to prison for several months. Although this court doesn't have the physical ability to collect, according to US law, it does have the legal right. Now, if SpamHaus refuses to pay the $11m, their CEO should forget about any future vacation plans to the US because, should he ever set foot on US soil, he will be immediately arrested for contempt of court and held in prison indefinitely until the money is paid.


Depends on which country of origin the criminal is, and the social status of the criminal.

There was a case of a Chinese congressman who was vacationing in the U.S., and decided to buy a rifle and shoot random children, but he was not prosecuted, because the U.S. government likes to keep good relations with the Chinese government.
||bass
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Originally posted by Croxadon
I'm talking about the fact that this isn't in the United States. He uhh, has no right to even hold the trial.
Actually he does. A US federal court, at least according to US law, has jurisdiction over Saturn. There IS legal history that supports this. Recall the case of the Russian citazen who cracked the Adobe eBook encryption while he was in Russia. Russian citazen in Russia. At one point, he was vacationing in the US and, upon arrival, was immediately arrested and sent to prison for several months. Although this court doesn't have the physical ability to collect, according to US law, it does have the legal right. Now, if SpamHaus refuses to pay the $11m, their CEO should forget about any future vacation plans to the US because, should he ever set foot on US soil, he will be immediately arrested for contempt of court and held in prison indefinitely until the money is paid.
Rom Manic
Posts: 311/557		 Hmmm, a loss of capital due to a suggested boycott is not reason to sue? In AMERICA?

XD
rubixcuber
Posts: 8/356		 Sometimes I read things like this and wonder what the world is coming to. I hope this doesn't become a precedent for protecting spammers.
sandrocklq
Posts: 183/210		 Wow, there is no justification given for the amount of $11 million. WTF is up with that. Did the judge pull a number out of his ass.
Cruel Justice
Posts: 1430/1637		 http://techdirt.com/articles/20060915/022826.shtml

Originally posted by Nebetsu
http://techdirt.com/articles/20060915/022826.shtml
Why is it that judges over and over again make uninformed decisions regarding computers, technology, and the internet? Just because you know Law doesn't mean you know how the internet operates. I think all judges should go through a manditory training program on what the internet is like. Or even have separate judges who have all the tech certification, a connection to the internet, and a computer to decide legal matters about such things.


^ *Just so some of us can actually read the topic, I had to quote him to see his post.*

I agree with you completely Nebetsu. Any idiot who has touched a mouse and clicked on an internet browser should very well know what spam is. There is no justice in that case because the internet doesn't yield sufficient ties with laws beyond computers. But, it is possible that a disclaimer had something to do with it.
Sinfjotle
Posts: 1360/1697		 I'm talking about the fact that this isn't in the United States. He uhh, has no right to even hold the trial.
Nebetsu
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Originally posted by Croxadon
This judge apparently doesn't even know the law very well...

Probably because most issues with computers and the internet don't have precedents yet, so the judges usually pull something obscene out of their asses.
Sinfjotle
Posts: 1359/1697		 This judge apparently doesn't even know the law very well...
Nebetsu
Posts: 226/356		 http://techdirt.com/articles/20060915/022826.shtml

Why is it that judges over and over again make uninformed decisions regarding computers, technology, and the internet? Just because you know Law doesn't mean you know how the internet operates. I think all judges should go through a manditory training program on what the internet is like. Or even have separate judges who have all the tech certification, a connection to the internet, and a computer to decide legal matters about such things.
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