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| rubixcuber Posts: 25/356 |
Haha, that's a great idea Jomb. Anyone here live in Ohio and feel like accusing some politicians? |
| Jomb Posts: 339/448 |
What needs to happen here, is people in Ohio should accuse the law-makers who voted for this bill with wild rape accusations, so that they have to be on the list. |
| Skreename Posts: 1069/1427 |
Originally posted by drjayphdOriginally posted by Rom Manic As long as you have to search to find out whether someone was ever accused of something, you'll typically find at least a few details of the actual trial. The problem is when people are just thrown on a list, details are lost or skimmed over. "Accused with no evidence and acquitted of all involvement" beomes just "accused", for instance. I think that's probably part of what he was getting at. (Aren't most trial results public, anyway? I know there are exceptions for minors, but I think most others can be found out if you want to take the time to look.) |
| drjayphd Posts: 886/1170 |
Originally posted by Rom Manic Tiny problem: It's not a policy, it's the LAW. There's no choice in the matter. Originally posted by Rom Manic Accused? How about if the accuser was out of their fucking gourds (like the ex-girlfriend of Dernell Stenson, who was considered a person of interest in his death) and there was no basis for their accusations? I mean, if you are a sex criminal (like McLusky sang their old singer was), then it's probably for the best that you do tell people, but it'd be even better if you'd come forward to the po-pos. But if you've just been accused, that's just another layer of explaining that doesn't need to happen. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 305/557 |
As of today, the United States government has retracted it's agreement to stand by it's freedom of information policy. You are no longer allowed to know what goes on in the government via the federal register. Suffice it to say big brother is watching you.
...Heh, wouldn't that be a headline...I don't really agree with the blacklist, but I must say that people have a right to know if you have been accused. However, only if they WANT to know should they go and inquire, these people shouldn't have to go door to door telling people "Hey, so...I'm an accused pedophile, yourself?" |
| Jomb Posts: 335/448 |
Somehow this does'nt surprise me, the paranoia in our country, especially about the dreaded "sex offender" is spiraling out of control, and has been for many years now. The very idea of having any registry of people is a bad one. It benefits no one, because real serious predators simply offend in an area other than where they live, where no one knows about them, and the people who really could have had a chance to turn their life around are denied that by the registry. Its basically anti-rehabilitation legislation.
In my opinion what needs to be done is the removal of all registries, but the civil commitment of people with uncontrollable mental disorders causing them to rape people. |
| SuperLuigi64 Posts: 180/281 |
I would quote you, but the quote thing is covered up by Skreename's layout.
Yeah, the Crucible. We read that in English a few weeks back. I think the whole thing applies to this article. If your accused (I.E. "Raped Woman/Man" =Abagail Williams, "Rapist"=John Proctor) then well, your screwed. Your seperated from society in Ohio, and well, everywhere for the rest of your life. The only way out is to move to another country. |
| drjayphd Posts: 872/1170 |
Originally posted by SkreenameOriginally posted by TatrionOriginally posted by Shadic Right you are, Ken. He did, verily, write "The Crucible". And gee, wonder what it was really about. (ahem) |
| Skreename Posts: 1060/1427 |
Originally posted by TatrionOriginally posted by Shadic Didn't he write the Crucible? Or am I thinking of someone else? Either way, on the actual subject, I don't think I have anything useful to add... Everyone else has covered it well enough. |
| Tatrion Posts: 1868/2467 |
Originally posted by Shadic Heh, Salem. That reminds me of the whole McCarthy thing about communism. One of the people he had labelled as a communist, Arthur Miller, still failed to get respect from his peers even 50 years after said event. People refused to clap for him since he was blacklisted as a communist, way back then, and eventually, it was proven wrong anyway. |
| Shadic Posts: 378/528 |
The whole thing is bullshit, all you'd have to do to completely ruin somebody's reputation would be to say "OMG! He raped me!!!!"
Bam, they've got this label on them for 6 years. This is Salem again, ugh. |
| Zer0wned Posts: 115/118 |
Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination Originally posted by Zer0wned Though I did tangent off a bit after that, I meant that it's a much more common practice in that bracket. But yeah, I admittedly failed to iterate that. |
| Ziff Posts: 1228/1800 |
zer0wned
That's everyone. Not just the poor and homeless. |
| Zer0wned Posts: 110/118 |
On the one hand I can understand why people would want this. I would have to assume that usually people get accused for a good reason, and get let off due to lack of evidence.
But on the other hand (the hand I'm in favor in on this topic), I know how quarreling people can get. Especially quarreling poor people. Homeless and welfare types will accuse anyone of anything to get what they want. Personally I've been able to watch at least six restraining orders. Their causes? Frivilous bullshit arguments caused by people that don't know how to handle their problems. There's no doubt this would get abused. The whole "my husband hits me" *beats the shit out of herself for the courts, gets the house and kids, lands the guy in jail* gets attempted quite a bit. It's not completely effective, but my uncle had that happen to him. He lost over half a million, his house, spent some time in jail, and the right to see his daughter full time, all because his wife's mom started in on crazy talk, telling her to do this. He's been aquitted because the courts knew she was full of it (and he had a good team of lawyers), but regardless he no longer lives in arizona because of the whole ordeal. I'm telling you, the average woman is out of her mind. This law WILL be abused. |
| windwaker Posts: 174/235 |
Originally posted by geeogree Well, I didn't want to call you an idiot, but in the end... you just had to read the article. |
| geeogree Posts: 186/207 |
well that is just silly.... it will never last in the courts
someone will fight it... and it will get overturned. I really would not worry about it too much. oh and windwaker.... please stop calling me a liar  |
| drjayphd Posts: 870/1170 |
Originally posted by geeogree I think that's the whole point. It's not about road-tested offenders, it's about those who've just been accused. No due process. |
| windwaker Posts: 172/235 |
Originally posted by geeogree How can you be so dishonest? You know that this has nothing to do with a list of sex offenders, this is a list of accused sex offenders. Why must you always be the devil's advocate, even if it means forcing yourself to misunderstand the thread in question? |
| geeogree Posts: 185/207 |
[shakes head]....
so we all just like sex offenders and are okay with them living in your community? I would be more than happy if this sort of thing was set up where I live. The process may not be perfect.... but I would rather have a list of sex offenders than not.
[edit] after reading the article.... how do you identify sex offenders.... if they haven't been charged?.... kind of missing a step there aren't you? [/edit] |
| drjayphd Posts: 869/1170 |
Seriously, how did this law go through? If I have the means to do so, I'm launching a test case now. |
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