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windwaker
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Originally posted by ||bass
Actually it is strictly a logical fallacy, or at least it WOULD be if you attempted to actually use it as part of an arguement.


This is what I was saying. He assumed I wasn't on Al Qaeda's side.
witeasprinwow
Posts: 476/613
Originally posted by windwaker
My Al Qaeda example, while not strictly a logical fallacy (), was simply a joke.


Yeah, I should have picked up on this. I think I quoted you thinking you were joking and then forgot about it while replying.

Oh well. My bad.
||bass
Posts: 392/594
Originally posted by windwaker
My Al Qaeda example, while not strictly a logical fallacy (), was simply a joke.
Actually it is strictly a logical fallacy, or at least it WOULD be if you attempted to actually use it as part of an arguement. Although. I think that most people did understand it to be a bit of humor.
windwaker
Posts: 137/235
Originally posted by witeasprinwow
Originally posted by windwaker
So you're saying we should do whatever someone in an airport tells us, even if we are positive that it's harmless? "The rules are there for a reason" sure, but you have obviously missed the reason if you think it's dangerous to bring Sprite on a plane.


Civil disobedience is very effective at reversing laws that are widely seen as cruel and unnecessary, because there will be a large amount of people willing to fill up the jails for the cause. I don't think many people are willing to do time for Sprite freedoms. So let's not go down that path.

Originally posted by windwaker
You know who else imprisons people for bringing Sprite on a plane? Al Qaeda.


Logical fallacy. Just because a bad group forbids it doesn't mean it shouldn't be forbidden.


Yes, civil disobedience works, but you have to choose your battles, obviously. I was just saying I didn't think it was immoral.

My Al Qaeda example, while not strictly a logical fallacy (), was simply a joke.
witeasprinwow
Posts: 474/613
Originally posted by windwaker
So you're saying we should do whatever someone in an airport tells us, even if we are positive that it's harmless? "The rules are there for a reason" sure, but you have obviously missed the reason if you think it's dangerous to bring Sprite on a plane.


Civil disobedience is very effective at reversing laws that are widely seen as cruel and unnecessary, because there will be a large amount of people willing to fill up the jails for the cause. I don't think many people are willing to do time for Sprite freedoms. So let's not go down that path.

Originally posted by windwaker
You know who else imprisons people for bringing Sprite on a plane? Al Qaeda.


Logical fallacy. Just because a bad group forbids it doesn't mean it shouldn't be forbidden.

I'm sure people will survive without their Sprite. If there was a substance that is legitimately necessar to some people that's forbidden, then we can talk.
windwaker
Posts: 136/235
Originally posted by ||bass
As a side note, 3 years for bringing Sprite on an airplane seems totally fair to me if the security officers told you not to. Airports and airplanes aren't the places to bend the rules or to make political statements. The rules are there for a reason, they are also there to be followed.


So you're saying we should do whatever someone in an airport tells us, even if we are positive that it's harmless? "The rules are there for a reason" sure, but you have obviously missed the reason if you think it's dangerous to bring Sprite on a plane.

While I'm not advocating bringing Sprite on a plane ILLEGALLY (well, actually maybe I am, there's nothing unethical about it. I wouldn't do it, thought), three years is way too harsh a sentence.

You know who else imprisons people for bringing Sprite on a plane? Al Qaeda.
||bass
Posts: 385/594		 Somewhat on point: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/17/airport.evac.ap/index.html

As a side note, 3 years for bringing Sprite on an airplane seems totally fair to me if the security officers told you not to. Airports and airplanes aren't the places to bend the rules or to make political statements. The rules are there for a reason, they are also there to be followed.
sandrocklq
Posts: 85/210		 Once you've gotten off the plane it's really a moot point. Unless they thought you were taking part in a dry run, then what's the point of arresting someone who didn't do anything. It's security's fault for allowing it to get through in the first place. The TSA is inept at best. I'm really surprised there hasn't been a successful attack in five years.
emcee
Posts: 496/867
Originally posted by Skreename
Of course, that thing about people saying that they're helping fight terrorism by not bringing Sprite onto planes sounds rather... imbecilic. Seems something along the lines of "Hey, I'm helping by not doing something that would make no difference anyway!"


Or maybe they're just saying they're not whining or complaining, hasseling and slowing down or distracting security. Maybe that's not "fighting terrorism", but its not making matters worse.
Skreename
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Originally posted by ||bass
Originally posted by Sexy Emperor Colin
If it was poisonous, odds are you'd be feeling it before you got onto the plane. And if someone hesitates just for a few seconds, then that might be grounds to test the drink.
You know you can eat nitroglycerin, right?

It's actually used as a heart medication, in fact. But I don't think this adds much to the discussion...

I could see a fine coming the way of someone who did that, not much more. I don't consider the necessity for such regulations to be a good thing, but... Considering the gain versus the loss, I think it's probably worth it.

Of course, that thing about people saying that they're helping fight terrorism by not bringing Sprite onto planes sounds rather... imbecilic. Seems something along the lines of "Hey, I'm helping by not doing something that would make no difference anyway!"
emcee
Posts: 495/867		 You know, I think everyone is capable of going a few hours without Sprite. If you're so self-centered that you're willing to circumvent security and possibly cause delays and tension (slowing down already over extended security systems) if you get caught, just so you can have the particular beverage you want, I think you deserve a pretty stiff penalty. Maybe not three years, but atleast a few months.

Now if it was Lime Coke, I could see...
||bass
Posts: 379/594
Originally posted by Sexy Emperor Colin
If it was poisonous, odds are you'd be feeling it before you got onto the plane. And if someone hesitates just for a few seconds, then that might be grounds to test the drink.
You know you can eat nitroglycerin, right?
windwaker
Posts: 133/235
Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination
I think that the REAL threat these days is snakes. If snakes get on a plane there is no telling how much motherfuckin' may occur.

Hahaha, this is exactly what I was thinking when I saw the thread title.
witeasprinwow
Posts: 463/613
Originally posted by windwaker
NO ONE is getting locked up for drinking a sprite on a plane, even if they snuck it on.


Yeah, I completely agree with this. Nobody is going to be locked up for something that results in no harm.

Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination
I think that the REAL threat these days is snakes. If snakes get on a plane there is no telling how much motherfuckin' may occur.


Oh thank GOD, I thought I was the only one who thought this when I read the thread title.
Ziff
Posts: 1133/1800		 I think that the REAL threat these days is snakes. If snakes get on a plane there is no telling how much motherfuckin' may occur.
windwaker
Posts: 132/235
Originally posted by Sexy Emperor Colin
If it was poisonous, odds are you'd be feeling it before you got onto the plane. And if someone hesitates just for a few seconds, then that might be grounds to test the drink.

Why would someone bring poison on a plane? I can sip a little gasoline without dying.

This story is a bit unrealistic. NO ONE is getting locked up for drinking a sprite on a plane, even if they snuck it on.
witeasprinwow
Posts: 461/613
Originally posted by Sexy Emperor Colin
If it was poisonous, odds are you'd be feeling it before you got onto the plane. And if someone hesitates just for a few seconds, then that might be grounds to test the drink.


You could go to the bathroom and purge afterwards, though.

But I think this little sub-argument is getting too detached from reality. I'm sure the smell would give it away or something.
Cynthia
Posts: 4064/5814		 If it was poisonous, odds are you'd be feeling it before you got onto the plane. And if someone hesitates just for a few seconds, then that might be grounds to test the drink.
witeasprinwow
Posts: 460/613
Originally posted by Sexy Emperor Colin
VERY simple solution. If you want to bring a drink onto the plane, then you have to take a sip of it in front of a security guard and swallow to prove it's a drink and not something lethal. Either that or they can set up a kiosk in the waiting area where you can buy drinks with special markings/etc that can be taken on board.


Depending on how much of a bad motherfucker you are, you may very well be able to take a sip of something explosive and not flinch. Maybe it'd fuck up your health, but if you're going to be blowing up a plane you're on, it shouldn't really matter much to you.

It'd be easier just to prohibit bringing fluids onboard alltogether and then sell pre-approved cans of stuff onboard.
Cynthia
Posts: 4059/5814		 VERY simple solution. If you want to bring a drink onto the plane, then you have to take a sip of it in front of a security guard and swallow to prove it's a drink and not something lethal. Either that or they can set up a kiosk in the waiting area where you can buy drinks with special markings/etc that can be taken on board.
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