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| Kapow Posts: 2/17 |
Originally posted by DragonsbrethrenOriginally posted by LocalH It's the bizarre wording that's throwing me. "My works have been printed without my permission"? People need permission to say your hack's name? |
| Dragonsbrethren Posts: 7/442 |
Originally posted by LocalH Quoted for emphasis. |
| bluerum Posts: 6/22 |
*sigh*
read it again s-l-o-w-l-y since you failed to understand the first time. besides, the issue has been resolved |
| Kapow Posts: 1/17 |
Originally posted by Heran_Bago Yeah, that free open user-submitted information resource is all about taking rom hacking away from the people. Good job unmasking that conspiracy. It's amazing that you work for only 25 cents a day. Does Sally get a cut of that? Originally posted by bluerum By "works" do you mean the hacks you made, or information you gathered? I'm guessing the former - how do you "print" a hack? Are you just upset that someone said your hack exists? The whole point of a wiki is that anyone can add or correct information. If people add incorrect information, it's up to the other users to correct it. If you want the page to credit you, then make it credit you. It would've been easier than going to another site to complain. |
| Gau Posts: 4/7 |
Come now. Certainly there's no need for this. Just as both Everything2 and Wikipedia have their place on the 'net, so too, I believe, both WikiRAM and DataCrystal have our respective places as resources in the ROM hacking community. WikiRAM is great for raw data, and I'm really looking forward to seeing how that .nl import/export feature is going to work. Though some people like DataCrystal's standards for page creation, it also can be a frustrating process going through pages of data and formatting them; this can be discouraging for some people.
The reason that we decided to start DataCrystal is largely because ROM hacking information is not appropriate to the scope of Wikipedia. (Conversely, random game factoids are not appropriate to the scope of Datacrystal.) There are always people who decry any sort of Wiki. Indeed, there are people all over the world who think Wikipedia is a pile of crap. On the other hand, millions use it as a daily resource. While it's impossible to avoid those kinds of ideological arguments, at the same time being informed helps everyone, no matter who you are. If DataCrystal helps you, that's great. If WikiRAM helps you, that's great too! If crawling through pages and pages of old forums to find the info you're looking for is your style, hey, to each his own. -That- is what DataCrystal was set up to compete with, not WikiRAM or any other rom hacking wiki. |
| LocalH Posts: 10/65 |
There's also the Sonic Community Hacking Guide. It's, of course, centered around Sonic games, primarily the classic 2d ones, although there is a bit of information Sonic Battle and SA X PC. |
| Dan Posts: 10/219 |
Originally posted by ExKay The wikipedia software already does that. It's just not on the actual page. But if you go to the history tab of the page, it is listed. Originally posted by Really Stupid Guy How is WikiRAM the original? There have been quite a few repositories before WikiRAM. Rage Games? BMF54123's Data Repository? I'm sure there have been more that I don't know of. You should concentrate on sorting out WikiRAM's problems than acting like publicity whore (and annoying everyone in the process) on a messageboard. |
| MathOnNapkins Posts: 27/1106 |
Am I going to back up my claims with evidence? No.
Really makes you sound credible. If you really cared than the info from both sites would be merged, but you're making it a battle and the losers are everyone who signs up to your information repositories. Though I agree with you in principle, competition is a good thing in my eyes and provides motivation to be better. Rom Hacking gives you access to often complex data, and one site may communicate it better than the other. Or maybe provides different ways that appeal to different types of people. Plus, both wiki sites are still in a formative stage so it'll be interesting to see how each one evolves. |
| Heran_Bago Posts: 16/33 |
If only there was some grand internet encyclopedia in wiki format that tried to cover all knowledge. But what the hell would they call it? A wiki-pedia?
Guess what? Data Crystal sucks. Guess what? WikiRAM sucks. Am I going to back up my claims with evidence? No. This whole thing's a superiority battle about who owns ROM hacking. ROM hackers do. Stop pretending to be ROM hacking Jesus and giving people the world. Get over yourselfs and your communities kthx. If you really cared than the info from both sites would be merged, but you're making it a battle and the losers are everyone who signs up to your information repositories.
No one ever said you have to be civil to be in this community. For example, you are allowed to use profanity, highly un-civil, and I'm fine with it. |
| NetSplit Posts: 5/144 |
Originally posted by xcomgs Fuck off. You're such a fucking asshole, you know that? Everytime datacrystal comes up, you have to throw WikiRAM into the conversation. Stop being so fucking hostile. Were you not such an asshole, it might be nice for you to work together with datacrystal to make a better site that'd help more people, but you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into your own little shithole, so much that I (and I'm sure I'm not alone here) wish you would just stay in that damn hole and die. Act civilized or get the fuck out of this community. |
| BMF54123 Posts: 66/876 |
Originally posted by xcomgsGood God, WE ALREADY KNOW. Enough with the shameless plugs. |
| Xkeeper Posts: 244/5653 |
Originally posted by Datahax"Content submitted by name, name1, name2, name3, name4, etc...." would work nicely, I think 
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| xcomgs Posts: 5/8 |
No matter how much you guys hate me, I will always say. There is always WikiRAM, the original rom hacking data repository. http://infinines.net/wikiram |
| Datahax Posts: 6/13 |
In my personal opinion, I think a simple "Submitted by" would suffice. That way it's clear that person may not of been the person to discover it, create it or anything of the like. And it could be easily stuck somewhere near the beginning or the end of everything so that it didn't interfere.
Any discovered by or created by stuff is just stupid. There could be tons of people who found it before you and never knew they could or to submit it. ....or maybe I'm just a moron. But that's what I think. |
| Dan Posts: 9/219 |
I don't even see what the problem originally was. All Data Crystal had was the hack name. No screenshots, no information, no download links. How could anyone possibly take any ill-meaning/offense from that? |
| Gau Posts: 3/7 |
AAAH! Now I see and understand! Yes, feel free to post credits in those lists of hacks. Furthermore, feel free to create pages describing hacks (as long as you don't use phrases like "best hack ever" or "flaming sack o' crap".) Notice how all those listings of hacks don't have any links? That's not because we don't wish to credit you guys, but because we don't have any information on them. Please feel free to add this kind of information (and preferably, links to places where people can find your hacks.) This is much more benificial to Data Crystal, and to the entire community, than a nameless, linkless list! |
| Dragonsbrethren Posts: 4/442 |
Originally posted by bluerumOriginally posted by LocalH I just added some credits to the CV section, for all the hacks I knew of. |
| bluerum Posts: 5/22 |
Originally posted by LocalH bingo. its good to know someone understood what i meant |
| Jigglysaint Posts: 4/179 |
Whoops, I guess I misread that. Actually, for some people it would be better if they did leave their name off their hacks, if they are bad that is. I think I would be a little upset if somebody were to submit my hack without my credit, especially if it's possible that people would mistaken it for a hack them did. It's kinda like when Vagla got credit for stuff FX3 did, mainly because Vagla was the head of DES, and the project was a DES project.
BTW, sorry if I unearthed any old wounds, but I was trying to find an example of when credit is due, and why is should. |
| LocalH Posts: 5/65 |
It seems to me that you are conflating "crediting released ROM hacks" with "crediting who found the function of the subroutine at ROM offset $xxxx". The former should receive credit. The latter should only be done so in a general sense, for instance "ROM/RAM information contributed by X, Y, and Z".
Edit: Actually, I see, it's not you conflating the issues, it's other people in the thread. Guys, he explicitly said in the first post that he wanted his hacks credited. Nowhere did he say he found a certain piece of raw hacking information and wanted credit for it. |
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