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| Rom Manic Posts: 239/557 |
Essentially, if you don't sin, or ask for forgiveness from the bottom of your heart for sins, you will go to heaven. If you don't follow gods will, you go to hell. Simple as that.
Which doesn't mean hell is a bad place. It's just not heaven  |
| ziratha Posts: 87/105 |
That is the thought I was trying to express, albeit poorly. |
| Silvershield Posts: 307/587 |
Originally posted by zirathaHow so? Are you saying that, if everyone murders and steals and commits other sinful acts, then those people that commit those acts the least often are somehow good? Good is not a relative term that is meant to refer to those people who are the "least bad." |
| ziratha Posts: 86/105 |
I just have to say, isn't the thought that "good" people automatically go to heaven kinda like saying that god grades on a curve? |
| Jomb Posts: 309/448 |
Well, the person who started the thread does'nt believe in hell either, so i figured it'd be cool |
| Rom Manic Posts: 237/557 |
I think I got that one covered in my post, ziff . Unless I misunderstood what you meant... |
| ziffhasnoaim/password Posts: 240/292 |
Originally posted by Silvershield I like abstracting the unknown into something that is humorously common, yet would be such a bizarre and alien circumstance |
| witeasprinwow Posts: 376/613 |
Originally posted by Jomb Christmas was also selected to it's current day because it shared a holiday with a Roman god, to try and make Christianity more appealing and to discourage the Romans from feeding them to the lions. Didn't work very well, it seems. But if you don't believe in hell... Then why are you in this thread? It says "if there is a hell" right at the top  |
| C:/xkas bio.asm Posts: 1119/1209 |
according to dictionnary.com:
lucifer 1: The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan. 2: The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star. 3: lucifer A friction match. 4: (Judeo-Christian and Islamic religions) chief spirit of evil and adversary of God; tempter of mankind; master of Hell [syn: Satan, Old Nick, Devil, the Devil, Lucifer, Beelzebub, the Tempter, Prince of Darkness] 5: lighter consisting of a thin piece of wood or cardboard tipped with combustible chemical; ignites with friction; "he always carries matches to light his pipe" [syn: match, friction match] 6: brilliant star, a title given to the king of Babylon (Isa. 14:12) to denote his glory. 7: Lucifer, bringing light [Middle English, from Old English, morning star, Lucifer, from Latin Lcifer, from lcifer, light-bringer : lx, lc-, light; see leuk- in Indo-European Roots + -fer, -fer.] look at the seventh one, this could definitely be a deity name. I also believe if Luci- was a prefix for light, since a few french word use it for stuff related to light(lucide, luciole etc.) |
| Jomb Posts: 307/448 |
Does Lucifer rule over hell? Is there even such a place? I dont believe it for a second. That's why i was joking about it earlier.
I read somewhere, a long time ago, that the names Lucifer, Satan, etc. were names they used because they happen to be the same names as some of the deities the people were worshipping at the time outside of christianity (the pagans), and they selected those names to basically smear the name of the pagan's gods and try to convince them that their gods were evil and they needed to switch to christianity. Also as justification for persucating against these pagans (its easy to make people hate a group of people who obviously "worship the devil") (edit- i remember now that the same source said that lucifer as depicted in the drawings of the time was intentionally made to resemble a certain Greek/Roman deity for the same reason) |
| drjayphd Posts: 803/1170 |
Originally posted by witeasprinwowOriginally posted by MathOnNapkins Actually, it's kinda funny you say that... doesn't it look something like this?
But yeah, unless someone comes back and can tell us what heaven or hell is like, and prove they're right, we'll never know. It's for you to decide. Kind of like if you prefer ten commandments or just one.  |
| Silvershield Posts: 305/587 |
I can't help but be utterly stunned whenever someone proposes that he will be able to somehow "make the best of" Hell, should he end up there. As if there's some sort of loophole.
Or, conversely, when a person imagines how boring Heaven must be, because it's full of stuck up, goody two shoes saints, and angels flying around playing harps. Does nobody here have the capacity to think in abstractions? Surely, if Heaven and Hell exist, the forms that they take are far beyond the realm of human comprehension. |
| witeasprinwow Posts: 369/613 |
Originally posted by Grey They apply more to beliving Christians than those who don't believe, in a way. Accepting Christianity means you accept rules that come with it. Those who find another set of rules aren't necessarily breaking the rules out of maliciousness, but simply because they do not recognize Christianity. Again, I am not defending Fundamentals who take every word literally. |
| Young Guru Posts: 124/279 |
I've heard that commandment interpreted many different ways. One of which is that if you are aware and believe in God (meaning, not just someone telling you that there is one God, but that you understand it and really believe it) you shall not worship any other god.
There's also the idea that if you live a good life you are infact worshiping God by doing his will of loving one another. Also, it could be viewed as don't worship unimportant things like money, material posesions, etc. That's what I have to say about that. |
| Schweiz oder etwas Posts: 1523/2046 |
So where does the first commandment stand in all of this? I mean, it's pretty cut-and-dry: Don't believe in any deity but God. But people who don't believe in God are breaking the first commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods", etc. Do the Ten just not apply to certain denominations? |
| ziffhasnoaim/password Posts: 234/292 |
That is somewhat debateable. The idea of Spheric worlds exists all over Christian and Middle-Eastern theology. The Muslim "Hell" that was written about in the Middle Ages was spheric. Those Muslims and their crazy idea of agent intellects. But that is neither here nor there.
The way I look at it...I'll see most people in Hell. You know, for a full eternity. I just hope that they die for me so that they suffer an eternity and however longer more than I. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 232/557 |
Originally posted by ziffhasnoaim/password Who do you mean? I'm a Greek Orthodox Christian, FYI. |
| witeasprinwow Posts: 363/613 |
Originally posted by ziffhasnoaim/password Acceptable answer
I was made to read Paradise Lost in high school, but never read Dante. All I know is that he's responsible for the levels or circles of Hell that you hear about. |
| ziffhasnoaim/password Posts: 233/292 |
Canon, theology, and popular belief are quite different.
You're Catholic educated, you should know about the diversity of beliefs that the Church harbours as well as the historical difference that has existed in the Church's variety of beliefs. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 230/557 |
I think going to heaven is another name for ascension. We all "apparently" have a soul, but yet our machines and our own eyes even cannot see it.
What logical explanation can be made from this? Someone said it exists, so somehow it must be real (Not sarcasm, it just looks like it). MY explanation (And this is what I've told many people who get confused about heaven and hell) is that we vibrate on a certain level, as do most things in the physical world. Our molecules move just as fast as the table you're probably sitting at, or the glass of water in your tap. That is vibration. So what if our physical bodies and souls are not much unlike the Jaffa and the Goa'Uld on Stargate SG-1? What if we are just shells protecting something much more valuable? Something that grows with us, learns with us, shares our feelings....Essentially is who we are, but something different at the same time. So the heaven and hell thing...At most, hell and heaven are 2 different planes of existance, possibly operating on the same vibration level, but might be different levels entirely (Referring to the "Going up to heaven" and "Going down to hell" thing). Some might think this as anti-semetic or whatever, but look at the facts. The people who witnessed the events depicted in the bible were barely able to understand the concept of a hammer, let alone cosmic vibration levels. The best way "God", whoever he may be, must have been "Going up to heaven for doing my will, or you get the banhammer all the way down to hell". ...Yeah...Thats my best explanation by scientific means...Anyone else have a guess? |
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