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| Xeo Belmont Posts: 315/1016 |
And it was great seeing him in his prime in MGS3. He was definitely the comic relief, but you could see how Big Boss and other things eventually helped him become who he had become.
Speaking of MGS, I really liked Liquid also. He was kind of like that long blonde haired villian in Die Hard that just wouldn't die. The whole Liquid Ocelot thing though ... eh?  |
| Ogre Posts: 54/65 |
And first page rule also applies, this wasn't past it.
And I can agree with the Ocelot part a bit. I loved his antics in 3, he was awesome in 1, and I still would rather pretend 2 didn't happen. |
| Alastor Posts: 6704/8204 |
11 days is hardly a bump, Grey. |
| Schweiz oder etwas Posts: 1518/2046 |
You know, this may be a bump, but I gotta agree: Revolver Ocelot really is an excellent villain. He starts out so minor, and you think he's got little to do with the real plot of Metal Gear Solid, but no... He grows and grows and grows as a character as the games progress.
Even in Snake Eater, you begin to see that initially, he wasn't so bad. But you also see that times change and people change, and that Ocelot is no exception to this, and that's where his character really shines. |
| sandrocklq Posts: 9/210 |
Revolver Ocelot is one of my favorite villians. I love how they were able to work him into Snake Eater. |
| Amano Posts: 50/67 |
Originally posted by Racer Xeo Exactly, that's why they're great villains. I think the characters mentioned from Suiko 2 and FFT are most well conceived kind of "Villain". Unless somebody is just simply insane to the point where everybody despises them, (the cliche, obvious type) a true "Villain" is very subjective. I'd like to nominate Dracula (Castlevania SoTN example being my fav.) for a good villian. The poor guy is just trying live his life, virtually in solitude, and he has a clan of people swarn to kill him just for being alive. Then from time to time after he's killed, some bored humans start a cult to resurrect him. A very interesting situation imo. Getting off topic, about Suiko 2 since i liked it so much  At first i could understand why Jowy did what he did, but after Luca died their was no good excuse for him to continue the war other then his own selfishness. If not for his selfish shenanigans, a chain of events that caused what happened to the Hero's sister would never have played out. I'll simply say, i didn't feel too bad in finishing him. |
| Young Guru Posts: 121/279 |
My favorite villain of all time has to be Albert Wesker from the Resident Evil series. His motivations for all of his actions might be a little vague, is it power or money or both that he wants.
Spoiler: He's just an all around awesome villain, truly evil and that's what makes him great.It's obvious that he has no ideal for his corporations because he seems to jump to a from them based on the highest bidder. That doesn't necessarily mean he's in it for money he just might need the money to get the research done. Also, I love his obsession with Chris, his desire to get back at him and the rest of the STARS team for exposing Umbrella was great. |
| Ogre Posts: 32/65 |
Yeah, I was looking for actual villains. The two mentioned so far are far from villians. Both of them actually have similar goals to the main characters. I wish Lady and Killer had been better villians, for my obsession with the Shadow Hearts series, but 3 was subpar in general. And the 'villian' of 2 at the end kinda came out of left field. |
| Xeo Belmont Posts: 283/1016 |
Originally posted by witeasprinwowOriginally posted by Grey I'd have to agree with wite here, entirely. Example ... Suikoden II Spoiler: It would basically be the same thing as calling Jowy the villian in Suikoden II. Yes, he was the enemy, had his different ways and everything, but he truly was not evil. But again, in agreement with you guys Delita was an excellent character. And I can say the very same for Jowy. |
| witeasprinwow Posts: 303/613 |
Originally posted by Grey EDIT: Grey, you should write that you're talking about FFTactics outside of the spolier box, so people know what game the spolier is for before they highlight it. Spoiler: But he isn't really a villain... just a misguided hero. He isn't evil, he just uses questionable methods to achieve good intentions. Only at the very end does he really do anything blatantly "wrong," and he seems to have remorse for it. Of course, I'm not complaining that he wasn't evil enough; he was an EXCELLENT character. I'm just not sure if he applies here. |
| Schweiz oder etwas Posts: 1478/2046 |
I think one of the best villains ever had to be....
Spoiler:
Delita, from FFTactics. But you didn't hear that one from me. Good runners up are the Turks, just for being so damn awesome. |
| Amanda Posts: 107/162 |
Originally posted by Ogre Yeah, when I got there I was like "WHAT.THE.FUCK" and it was weird. XD Really heavily scared me. XD |
| Ogre Posts: 27/65 |
Vyer's was cool, but a villian he really was not. He was just...there. As for Luca, I remember the part about his mother, but he's still not explained enough. Which is a shame, because his lust for carnage was cool in a way.
Now, Albedo, HE was batshit insane. Gotta love any character that can tear thier own head of, and stomp it into dust to scare someone. |
| Wurl Posts: 827/842 |
Mid-Boss of Disgaea. By far the best I can think of. |
| Celice Posts: 305/355 |
Well, how can I go into this without spoilers...
Spoiler:
He wasn't evil persay. But, I'd think if you were basically branded for everything gone wrong, lost your gal, ended watching your gal, who was with your FRIEND, kill herself, yeah, I'd be pissed and go bad. But he wasn't a villian before that, so myself, I don't consider him one. Unlike Kefka or Sephiroth or whomever, where most simply are asses. Orsted just got the shit-end of the stick, so to say. So much for my explanation >.> |
| Glyphodon Posts: 285/536 |
Originally posted by Celice Just because he killed everybody and turned into a giant face of plants doesn't mean he's a villian, huh? I would have liked to see some spoiler tags on that because that chapter ruled and it just wouldn't be the same if you knew what was going to happen beforehand. |
| Xeo Belmont Posts: 272/1016 |
Originally posted by Celice Honestly, I thought the entire cast of characters and the plot itself in FFV was so goofy ... it was funny. Still a somewhat decent game though. 
Originally posted by Amanda I forgot about this, but this is true. I remember someone mentioning this in the game. Anyways, after giving a little more thought into this, Albedo came to my mind from the Xenosaga games. Say what you will about those games (I honestly thought the first one was pretty great), Albedo does have a good chunk of development. Largely thanks to the flashbacks in Episode II revolved around him, Jr, and that other guy. He had that Kefka-like persona also, but a lot more development. Those parts in Episode II were definitely the most interesting, aside from that ... Episode II was just very lacking in my opinion. |
| Amanda Posts: 101/162 |
Luca's mom was assaulted and raped, and his father ran away. Luca eludes to this slightly when later on in the game. |
| Celice Posts: 304/355 |
Orsted, from Live-A-Live. He wasn't really a villian, but he played out to be a great hero-gone-wrong, especially what led up to it.
You want a villian that makes no sense, look at ExDeath from FFV. I think EVERYONE's bette than that crap from the hat. |
| Ogre Posts: 23/65 |
It's purpose wasn't to hit just Earth and eat it up, it was just a big parasite and HAPPENED to land on Earth. And play it again, (Cross too for more info) Lavos wasn't controlling anything, his presence effected evolution but only because it was taking life and DNA from everything. The process of launching his brood to other planets caused the destructive rain of fire that ruined the Earth. If you remember, once he fired off his spawn, he then ceased to live on for much longer. |
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