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[quote=witeasprinwow][quote=Cara Zeltina]Well.. Not saying I disagree, because I don't.. Buuut.. It was suppose to be that way, ya know? The world ended (Hence, World of "Ruin") basically, and everyone got split up. There wasn't meant to be much left to go to, or many lofty goals to seek out.

The whole premise was executed perfectly.. Your character wakes up in a ruined world with nothing left to lose, nothing to do. So what then..? Might as well seek out old friends and try to blow up Kefka. Even if you die trying, who cares? World is screwed anyway, right? Yeah, there could have been more sub-plots there, but essentially that was meant to be the end of the game, and collecting your allies was mostly optional. (You didn't need to get everyone, if I recall.) So it was more about wrapping things up with the story than anything else. Admitingly, this might have hurt the gameplay.. but the plot went unhindered.[/quote]

My real complaint is that it was little plot spread across lots and lots of game time, most of which was dungeon crawls. The could have easily cut some time off the clock by making more of it optional.

Although, being an OCD-ish teenager, I did all the optional dungeons anyways. Don't ask me why I had to get Tellah his best move even though I never used him. I HAD to. Fucking FF.[/quote]

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Apophis Posts: 575/734	I actually wasn't sure where to rank it, so I took the card game, music, and graphics into consideration. Plus I like twists.
Ogre Posts: 55/65	Yeah, SO1 was damn good IMO. Just like I find Tales of Phantasia to be my favorite Tales game. As for Apophis's ranking, how on Earth can you have 8 that high, when it was so sub par it's not even funny. Better than Legend of Dragoon, but still bad. XI screwed up the series for a bit, but XII redeemed it, I found X to be a great product in line with the epic middle installments.
Apophis Posts: 572/734	I wouldn't say its going downhill. More like it reached the top of the hill with Final Fantasy IX, then fell over a cliff to a ledge almost at the bottom. They rank in quality as follows: 1. FF IX 2. FF VI 3. FF VIII 4. FF VII 5. FF IV 6. FF V 7. FF IX 6. FF1,FF II,FF III (tie again) Haven't had any desire to play any since FFX
Xeo Belmont Posts: 317/1016	@Ogre: So Star Ocean 1 is really that good? I have a working rom, I should try it out sometime ... Hmm, there's another to add to the list of incredible RPG's that never made it to the states.
sandrocklq Posts: 19/210	I have faith that XII will be good. X might not have been good by Final Fantasy standards, but its still a good game. We're not anywhere near Superman 64 levels yet..
Trapster Posts: 3235/3604	Originally posted by Racer Xeo An actual challenge in FFVII for me, was taking on Emerald Weapon (the one in the water correct?) while I was in the 70's or so, without KoTR. I honestly did not want to waste my time mating Chocobo's to get the Gold one, so I just decided to go into hell and try to take on the Weapons without KoTR. I honestly remember Emerald being a pain in the ass. I did the Gravity trick right off the bat to deal 9,999 x4 damage, and then from there constantly had my characters on the Fury status so I could pull out Onmislash often and other Limit Breaks. That's basically how I won that battle ... seriously, if you guys want a good challenge, try doing that. I remember being up all night doing that. Rube Weapon on the other hand, even without KoTR was simple. I just ended up being lucky enough with that trick where everyone died but Cloud, and then just kept Attacking and using Elixers / X-Potions. . I´m at 70-80 and I´m only in the beginning of disc 2. The bad thing is that you can´t challenge the weapons until disc 3. I want most of the secrets too. I got bored at it after a while but I guess I´ve to continue sometime. I´ve custom buttons so it´ll be hard to get Tifa's Final Limit Break. And The last boss in FFVI was easy. The hard part were to GET there. Me and a friend had the lowest leveled party on Poltrgeist. That was quite a challenge. Got to use Revenge with Strago a lot.
Ogre Posts: 47/65	No no, Star Ocean 2 is good, but 1 is better, and 3 will make you kill yourself. If you care to know why, here goes. Spoiler: After you change to the second disc, the music becomes techno hip-hop sounding, which is a musical atroucity. The battle system becomes a spam fest in which the enemies now have instant kill AE's, or AE's that juggle you so bad they might as well instant kill. And the story turns into "LOL, IT'S DA MATRIX." Never has game left such a bad taste in my mouth.
witeasprinwow Posts: 321/613	Originally posted by Ogre Star Ocean 2's optionals weren't that hard. 3's had some lethality to them on Universe mode, but mostly cause of cheap instant kill abilities. The real difficulty was getting thier stupidly hard awards from some of them if you forgot to before starting Universe. (I forgot to do Weak Attacks on Lenneth....I had to do it on Universe. THAT took effort) And while we're on the subject, *NOBODY. EVER. BUY. STAR OCEAN 3.* If thier were no second disc fiasco, I might of liked it. There was a series that went totally south. 1 = Awesome. 2 = Good, but not a miracle. 3 = Oh God it burns! I thought 2 was pretty brilliant, except for some slight padding... Spoiler: You get that scroll in Cross Cave, and there's two sub-plots that revolve around it in Celine's town and in Linga, but you never find out what the hell it says You give it to the guy to translate it and never see it again! And the four fields dungeons? Totally unnecessary. And the boss you have to fight to get the material for the weapons? Please. In all honesty, I have played 1 or 3 yet. I'll probably end up getting 3 used sometime.
Ogre Posts: 46/65	Star Ocean 2's optionals weren't that hard. 3's had some lethality to them on Universe mode, but mostly cause of cheap instant kill abilities. The real difficulty was getting thier stupidly hard awards from some of them if you forgot to before starting Universe. (I forgot to do Weak Attacks on Lenneth....I had to do it on Universe. THAT took effort) And while we're on the subject, *NOBODY. EVER. BUY. STAR OCEAN 3.* If thier were no second disc fiasco, I might of liked it. There was a series that went totally south. 1 = Awesome. 2 = Good, but not a miracle. 3 = Oh God it burns!
Darkdata Posts: 311/983	Terranigma I love that game. It had one of the most unique storys I have ever come across.
Xeo Belmont Posts: 280/1016	Originally posted by witeasprinwow 1. Hell, honestly, without ZSNES I would have never played some of my favorite games 2. And, in case you haven't guessed what I have to say... Play Star Ocean already damnit! 1. Amen to that. Seiken Densetsu 3, Tales of Phantasia, Terranigma to name a few. 2. I'll try to get back into it. @neo: On Xenosaga II, you're about to hit the 2nd disc! Unless you haven't already. I thought it was a little disappointing getting to the 2nd disc within 10 hours of the game.
neotransotaku Posts: 1500/1860	Originally posted by Racer Xeo I dunno, I just honestly find it very hard to get into RPG's these days. I absolutely love them to death, but I have a hard time finding the time and devotion to play them. I'm 18, and work quite a bit, and when I'm going to school that doesn't really help out either. I've played countless RPG's in the past, but I can honestly only think of Suikoden V, and Tales of Symphonia when I think of the more "recent" ones I've played probably within the last year or so. Gah. Life. exactly. The amount of time I spend game playing as plummeted to non-existent levels since I started college almost 4 years ago. However, I still keep up with games, and just obtaining games with the hopes that once I'm out of school, I will have the time to play... Here are the following RPGs I've started but not finished. Final Fantasy 7 -- Summer 2001 (last battle with sephiroth) Tales of Phantasia -- Aug 2003 (final castle) Shadow Hearts -- Jan 2004 Dark Cloud -- June 2004 Star Ocean 3 -- Jan 2005 Kingdom Hearts -- June 2005 (still stuck on the 2nd world) Xenosaga 2 -- Jan 2006 (only 9 hours played, obtained when it first came out)
witeasprinwow Posts: 299/613	Originally posted by Racer Xeo I bought Parasite Eve a few months back for like $12, and have only played 30 minutes of it or so. And I've had Star Ocean II since forever, and I always hear excellent things about it, but I only played a few hours. Didn't get off the first planet you go to, my friend wanted to slap me when I told him that. I dunno, I just honestly find it very hard to get into RPG's these days. I absolutely love them to death, but I have a hard time finding the time and devotion to play them. I'm 18, and work quite a bit, and when I'm going to school that doesn't really help out either. I've played countless RPG's in the past, but I can honestly only think of Suikoden V, and Tales of Symphonia when I think of the more "recent" ones I've played probably within the last year or so. Gah. Life. Yeah, I have to agree with that. I've basically accepted that there's a decent number of great games I'll probably never get to play, because of time and money contraints. Hell, honestly, without ZSNES I would have never played some of my favorite games And, in case you haven't guessed what I have to say... Play Star Ocean already damnit!
Xeo Belmont Posts: 279/1016	Originally posted by witeasprinwow Originally posted by Ogre Why the hell would anyone powerlevel in FF8? Talk about counter-productive. Now, beating FF8 at lv9 average was fun. (Squall at 7, Zell at 8, Irvine at like 11) And yeah, I'm with Xeo on FF7's challenges, they are more fun trying without KoTR. (Especially after my blatant abuse at finding a way to auto-battle them. Meh.) Come to think of it, other than the semi-lame instant killing of FFX's Nemesis, the only hard challenge boss I can remember in any game was fighting Maya w/o powerleveling past 38 in Parasite Eve. If you ever play Star Ocean: The Second Story, there are some pretty damn hard optional bosses. There's multiple difficulties to the game. I had to work my ass off just to beat them all on normal. Apparently the hardest difficulty powers up all the baddies by over double... Damnit you guys. You guys both brought up excellent RPG's I own, but haven't played much of at all ... I bought Parasite Eve a few months back for like $12, and have only played 30 minutes of it or so. And I've had Star Ocean II since forever, and I always hear excellent things about it, but I only played a few hours. Didn't get off the first planet you go to, my friend wanted to slap me when I told him that. I dunno, I just honestly find it very hard to get into RPG's these days. I absolutely love them to death, but I have a hard time finding the time and devotion to play them. I'm 18, and work quite a bit, and when I'm going to school that doesn't really help out either. I've played countless RPG's in the past, but I can honestly only think of Suikoden V, and Tales of Symphonia when I think of the more "recent" ones I've played probably within the last year or so. Gah. Life.
witeasprinwow Posts: 297/613	Originally posted by Ogre Why the hell would anyone powerlevel in FF8? Talk about counter-productive. Now, beating FF8 at lv9 average was fun. (Squall at 7, Zell at 8, Irvine at like 11) And yeah, I'm with Xeo on FF7's challenges, they are more fun trying without KoTR. (Especially after my blatant abuse at finding a way to auto-battle them. Meh.) Come to think of it, other than the semi-lame instant killing of FFX's Nemesis, the only hard challenge boss I can remember in any game was fighting Maya w/o powerleveling past 38 in Parasite Eve. If you ever play Star Ocean: The Second Story, there are some pretty damn hard optional bosses. There's multiple difficulties to the game. I had to work my ass off just to beat them all on normal. Apparently the hardest difficulty powers up all the baddies by over double...
Ogre Posts: 28/65	Why the hell would anyone powerlevel in FF8? Talk about counter-productive. Now, beating FF8 at lv9 average was fun. (Squall at 7, Zell at 8, Irvine at like 11) And yeah, I'm with Xeo on FF7's challenges, they are more fun trying without KoTR. (Especially after my blatant abuse at finding a way to auto-battle them. Meh.) Come to think of it, other than the semi-lame instant killing of FFX's Nemesis, the only hard challenge boss I can remember in any game was fighting Maya w/o powerleveling past 38 in Parasite Eve.
Xeo Belmont Posts: 277/1016	Originally posted by asdf All this talk about FF6 powerleveling is reminding me of my antics with that in FF7 and FF8. In the latter, Sephiroth didn't even get a hit on me, thanks to 9999 Knights of the Round added to HP and MP Absorb. The weapons met a similar fate. As for FF8, I think I've spent so much time power-leveling and getting stat boosts effectively, that I now have a blue timer. Just because of the boost abilities alone, I have many characters with base stats in the hundreds, and am working on maxing them out. I could easily crush the last bosses if I wanted to. Meh at Knights of the Round. I remember beating Jenova, all Sephiroth's last forms, and everything by just attacking. Of course I did have 4x Attack and Slash-All on some of the characters ... and each attack was always 9,999 damage ... but all I did was literally button mash "X" basically. An actual challenge in FFVII for me, was taking on Emerald Weapon (the one in the water correct?) while I was in the 70's or so, without KoTR. I honestly did not want to waste my time mating Chocobo's to get the Gold one, so I just decided to go into hell and try to take on the Weapons without KoTR. I honestly remember Emerald being a pain in the ass. I did the Gravity trick right off the bat to deal 9,999 x4 damage, and then from there constantly had my characters on the Fury status so I could pull out Onmislash often and other Limit Breaks. That's basically how I won that battle ... seriously, if you guys want a good challenge, try doing that. I remember being up all night doing that. Rube Weapon on the other hand, even without KoTR was simple. I just ended up being lucky enough with that trick where everyone died but Cloud, and then just kept Attacking and using Elixers / X-Potions. So really the first time I beat FFVII I didn't get the actual KoTR Materia for quite sometime, but I did beat the Weapons earning a Gold Chocobo that way, and got the Master Materia's.
asdf Posts: 2757/4077	All this talk about FF6 powerleveling is reminding me of my antics with that in FF7 and FF8. In the latter, Sephiroth didn't even get a hit on me, thanks to 9999 Knights of the Round added to HP and MP Absorb. The weapons met a similar fate. As for FF8, I think I've spent so much time power-leveling and getting stat boosts effectively, that I now have a blue timer. Just because of the boost abilities alone, I have many characters with base stats in the hundreds, and am working on maxing them out. I could easily crush the last bosses if I wanted to.
Xeo Belmont Posts: 276/1016	Originally posted by Cara Zeltina Max stats in FFVI was.. eh, such overkill it isn't funny. I think about halfway there or so, you're already plenty powerful enough to take on the final boss without any real trouble.. right? I seem to recall it being that level range, though it has been awhile so it is hazy. I tend to go for every item too though, or all the biggies at least. I guess it varies on the game. Yeah. I remember when I first completed it (On Anthology) most of my "higher" characters were just in the 60's, and some for my other parties were just in the mere 40-50's, and it still wasn't that bad. I beat the game when I finally got an SNES copy with one level 99 party, and Kefka and everything was just a joke. Not only just having insane Speed, stats, and whatnot but having a cast of several characters being able to cast Life 3, Cure 3-4?, Haste 2, and whatnot like that just makes you invincible. I dunno, I just had fun maxing out the characters I "liked" a lot.
drjayphd Posts: 764/1170	Originally posted by Cara Zeltina Max stats in FFVI was.. eh, such overkill it isn't funny. I think about halfway there or so, you're already plenty powerful enough to take on the final boss without any real trouble.. right? I seem to recall it being that level range, though it has been awhile so it is hazy. I tend to go for every item too though, or all the biggies at least. I guess it varies on the game. I've actually (hangs head in shame) never beaten FF6. By the time I could probably go in there and make Kefka humble, old country way, I'd be knee-deep in getting all of Gau's Rages and then just get bored and--ooh, something shiny. And another thing that really grinds my gears: not being able to have every item. In the words of a great character of Gregory Helms's, whassupwitdat?
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