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| Vyper Posts: 357/575 |
Oh yeah, I think illegal immigrants suck, too. |
| Clockworkz Posts: 759/984 |
FOR:
Abortion Stem Cell Research Freedom of speech, religion, sexuality, race Gay Marriage AGAINST: Radical religious groups People imposing their beliefs on others Death Sentence War Racism Gun control RELIGION: Neo-pagan, previously Christian |
| Vyper Posts: 354/575 |
Originally posted by TommathyHonestly, I can't come to a decision on the topic. I'm torn apart :/ |
| Tommathy Posts: 256/339 |
What I'm not only gay, but want to be gay-married? |
| Vyper Posts: 352/575 |
Just because I believe homosexuality is wrong, doesn't mean everyone else does. If they want to be gay, have fun. |
| ||bass Posts: 337/594 |
Originally posted by Vyper Originally posted by VyperHuh? |
| Vyper Posts: 350/575 |
against:
homosexuality welfare censorship affirmative action feminism communism abortion for: free speech religious freedom choice (this pretty much overrides my anti-abortion view) stem-cell research god sex marijuana capitalism Basically, people should be able to whatever the fuck they want so long as it doesn't effect anyone else. I have a lot more views, but I don't feel like expanding at all. I worked all day and am tired  |
| SamuraiX Posts: 22/302 |
v1.0
Communism doesn't work, get over it; communism just kills the economy of a country since there is no personal incentive to work harder. Capitalism, on the other hand, works but does create inequalities. The existance of a deity or lack of one is of no importance. People are inherently good, but selfish motives and ignorance often cloud this goodness. A complex problem often needs a complex solution; conversely, a simple problem often needs a simple solution. U.S. Immigration Policy is inconsistant with democratic ideals. Fear and ignorance cause hatred. On the other hand, SamuraiX should not be an impetus for hatred. The United States is not a popular democracy, it is an elite democracy. The United States's unilateral actions are undemocratic and "wrong." |
| Wurl Posts: 829/842 |
Alright, I'm sure I'll leave stuff out, phrase poorly, ect. but here I go...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitalism is not beneficial to society as a whole. Capitalism is a self-destructive system that inevitably derives into a hegemony of the few over the many. Racism is ultimately a product of Capitalism in countries like the U.S. As long as Capitalism exists in its current state, profits will be more important than people. Capitalism is better at creating wealth, but is not able to distribute it as to benefit the majority of society. A Capitalist system will sacrifice technological progress in favor of profits. (see oil industry) Communism is possible, but not without social change and a socialistic transition period followed by destruction of formal government. Human greed, which supposedly disproves Communism, is cultural in origin, not natural part of true "human nature." This, however, does not mean that it is not in human nature to take priority for one's basic survival needs. Wilsonian Idealism (specifically relating to his idea of an able "ruling class") , Leninism/Vanguard Party/"Dictatorship of the People," or government by the "most able of men" (taken from Monroe quote, refers to upper-class) is incapable of benefiting society as a whole. No government should infringe on basic human rights. Thos rights being the following: freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, freedom for self determination*, freedom to any lifestyle one chooses (so long as it does not infringe on other's rights) and freedom to exist. Although true equality between sexes is impossible, men an women should be paid equally for equal work. Women should also have the fundamental right to have control over their bodies. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have more to add and need to clarify some of my points. *needs to be clarified. |
| Ogre Posts: 41/65 |
For:
Freedom of speech Freedom of press Stem cell research Government funded health care Homosexual rights Lowering immigration rates, ideally illegal immigration Legalization of drugs Against: DRM and DMRC 2.0 (read: FUCK YOU MPAA) Censorship Stupid American concepts of sexuality is bad, but violence is cool. Racism and it's ilk Affirmative action -esque programs. America acting as the Global Police force Anyone in America that cannot fluently speak English Feminism (Oh no, you were repressed a bit, so were the Jews for AGES and they don't bitch half as much as feminists.) Eco-terrorists. (goddam tree hugging hippies like Al Gore) Screwed up two-party 'democracy' in America. (read: DOES. NOT. WORK.) Can't be bothered to think of any more at the moment. But it should be relatively easy to notice I'm a card carrying Libertarian. =p |
| jeff Posts: 67/213 |
my beliefs? i need a guide for where to start, that's my belief.
-people use religion to make themselves useless. it should be the other way around! god made you to do something for the world, not to pray to him all the time! -i'm too independent to rely on a god. it's better to rely on someone who you know will truly help you(ie a lover, family member, etc). god won't save you by telling you something sweet, but a lover surely will. -time should be spent much more wisely; not wasted -perseverence, patience, friendliness, and self-discipline are the most important personality traits -understanding others is not the key to understanding yourself; understanding yourself is the key to understanding others(ie i wouldn't understand why people hated living if i'd never had a broken heart before)... okay, that's a bad example, but i guess you guys know what i mean. -people who quit school really shouldn't be penalized for it. if you know how to do something, you know how to do it. school isn't knowledge! -i don't really see what's wrong with being gay. it's just another fetish to me, only it determines the gender you date. -people with poor social skills deserve a chance -hating others is a waste of time. just don't worry about them. -it's hard to find two people who truly love each other -we need a new word for love. people throw it around all the time; it's lost its meaning! -women DON'T want nice guys. stop thinking they do! -when you mean something that's true, say, 99% of the time, there's no point in saying "well most people that are like x like..." this goes to my above belief about women. i just said women. i'm sure there's some women out there who like guys who have vaginas too. -dating IS a game to everyone. stop lying about it! -sex is overrated. it doesn't have to be anything special if you don't want it to, and it doesn't make you a bad person to sleep around. -harmful thoughts aren't wrong if you don't act them out. look at knuck. so what if he's a pedo? he hasn't hurt any young girls. he doesn't deserve ostracized for something he can't help. people who do it for that reason are terrible people. -nothing is sacred. -censorship is pretty stupid. the only form of censorship that is okay is things to protect lives of people. i remember some reporter in israel explaining they can't show images of rocket landings because the government is afraid of it being watched by hezbollah to help them hone their accuracy(they should have played gunbound so they know how!) -there needs to be SOME sort of universal language. the day i greet a foreign man with "bah weep grah nah weep ninni bong" is the day my life is at its peak. -the world needs to have the internet anywhere! i'm posting this by using connection of a neighbor in my own home(i don't have my own yet). now if only we had that anywhere, everyone would be allowed to access the internet without a ridiculous price. the world would truly be connected. -beliefs shouldn't be forced -i'm still young but the us still seems pretty kickass to me. i don't care about anything recent because none of it has any effect on me. i'm guessing that's why the people in the us don't care what goes on anywhere else, because it doesn't matter to them(some guy from the netherlands hates ME for the country i live in supporting israel? man i cannot sleep at the thought of that happening!)! -anti-americanism is pretty stupid too. hell, anti-any country is pretty stupid. the only anti-american crap i could understand is something like the us invading their country and then raping all the women there. that's when it's a bad thing! not something silly, such as the us acting like the world's big brother. if they don't, who is going to? someone's gotta do it, and if only the us is doing it, then big deal. arg i gotta rethink that one over. it's messy and written too crappily. i'm too tired to write anything else. |
| ||bass Posts: 334/594 |
Originally posted by TommathyLocal groups are the ones that know the local people and local community well enough to make a more effective difference. I'm all about getting the most out of your money whether it be an investment or a donation. The advantage with the local town charity is that they know the people in town. They know who the genuinely disadvantaged are and they know who the freeloaders are. As for education. Education in the US is already free and I don't consider that so much of an issue of social welfare. K-12 is already paid for by the state and if someone wants to go to college on the government's tab, that's what the Army/Navy/Airforce is for. Not only does service get your college paid for, it looks awesome on a resume. |
| Schweiz oder etwas Posts: 1491/2046 |
I'll believe in God when he can prove he exists.
I'm pro-choice on all fronts, and believe firmly that six thousand cells with no formal instructions on how to form or function do not a life make. Stem cell research is revolutionary and should be expanded upon. The Republican party in the United States is not in and of itself bad, but it is centered heavily around weak leaders who have a tendency to act as the figureheads of collective poor-decision-making. The No Child Left Behind Act needs to be terminated. Now. High school students should be allowed the choice of legally dropping out of school to join the workforce, and similarly a high school diploma should not be listed as a requirement of jobs that do not necessarily require its presence to generate an efficient worker. We can't all be doctors, astronauts, and lawyers. The private sector of manual labor in the U.S. is of the utmost importance in the face of the vast growth of modern technology. There needs to be severe budget cuts to the U.S. Military. FOX News is biased. If one ethnic group can say words like nigger (yes, Kario, I said nigger) and cracker, then I should be able to, as well. However, I believe I should be able to say them only on the basis that the more people use these words (as well as other "taboo" words like fuck, shit, and gubernatorial) in regular circulation, the less power the word will have, until it eventually becomes nothing more than just another word, a descriptor for its true meaning instead of its respective current slur. The metric system is far more efficient than the English system, since nearly everything americans commonly do involving math anywhere ever (with the exception of parametric equations and circular mathematics) involves base 10 calculations. ||bass, you're just whining about semantics. Ethnic groups should lack defintion. True equality brings no distinction whatsoever. This means no benefits alongside no restrictions. Affirmative action is a good effort, but ultimately breeds more racism by making a further distinction between ethnic groups. A better system would be to base aid policies entirely upon need, and leave the race question out of the matter entirely. Without attention to race, the matter goes away. Hate crimes should be punished thoroughly, and organizations similar to the NAACP should be used only up to the point where their services balance power between races, which ideally would cease to exist. The same applies to women's liberation. Women need empowerment right up to the point where they truly are equal with men, which they should be. When they're equal to men, this means that their benefits given to them as women, save for the barest biological extremes (maternity leave and rape are excellent examples of a dire need for special cases for women), should be revoked. As an alternative, men could be given similar benefits. As it IS 3 AM and I am a bit tired, I can't think of any at the moment. This system should only be in place when women are being paid as much as men, are as present in the workforce as men, have as much political pull as men, and are not stereotyped alongside men, and not a moment before. In short, when women become equal to men (and they will), they must become truly equal. Homosexuality is not wrong. And it is not a choice. Organized religion should have far less power than it does currently. Worship should be allowed and supported, but not required, abused, invoked to support political growth, or used to sway the masses politically. Communism works with robot leaders. Sex is not a bad thing. Censorship of it breeds irresponsibility when presented with a situation involving it. Education of its risks and methods of disease and pregnancy control and prevention is a far more effective technique for reducing teenage pregnancy and STD/I spread than pure abstinence training or the thought that sex for pleasure is somehow "unnatural" or "unholy". People who don't take care of themselves deserve their health problems, but that doesn't necessarily mean they don't deserve treatment or help. The legalization of drugs will create a fearsome slingshot effect: At first, its use will spread like wildfire, which is something I am extremely against. However, with regulation and legislation to tax it, raise its costs, mass-production to lower its quality and potency, and overall lack of interest over time, it is bound to reduce use and trafficking by leaps and bounds. Addicts will suffer, but it will be their own choice to begin using them. Alternative fuel sources need to be researched and funded NOW. Not in ten years when gas prices are double what they are currently. Maybe the money from military budget cuts could go towards something...? Hell is what you make it. Errrr..... Yeah, that all probably started sounding boorish and misinformed, but it's based on what I know about the world at this time, so excuse my ignorance (if any: I've tried to be careful). |
| Tommathy Posts: 253/339 |
Why ||bass, I never took you for the "Think globally, act locally" type.
That's kinda nifty. |
| ziffhasnoaim/password Posts: 197/292 |
So how would you assure equal quality of education and relative curriculum across the board, then? |
| ||bass Posts: 333/594 |
Who said the charity has to be nationwide. If everyone donated to their LOCAL charity, the whole thing would work, albeit decentralized. |
| ziffhasnoaim/password Posts: 196/292 |
I have yet to see private charity instituted on a nation wide level. It has never been done effectively. The state system with taxation, on the other hand, has proven to be very effective. |
| ||bass Posts: 331/594 |
I've cut out the sections that weren't clearly questions directed ae me.Originally posted by Tommathy Assembly: When I said communist groups, I was thinking more along the lines of a political party. If people want to go form a commune and not bother anybody, that's a-ok with me. Speech: I meant pro-anarchy or any similar group advocating an overthrow of the government. Welfare: All of it. If people would go and DONATE a fair share, a REAL fair share, we wouldn't need ANY government type programs. Unemployed people, old people, students, etc. Everybody can benefit from good old-fashioned charity. 4th Amendment: I am strongly of the belief that good honest people should have nothing to hide. If people would just grow the fuck up about issues such as homosexuality, we wouldn't NEED privacy because a mature public really shouldn't give a shit where someone sticks his dick as long as said 'location' is over 18. The problem is that some people can't deal with that. If the public would just grow up, we wouldn't need privacy laws because the only people who would need to hide anything would be criminals. If people were really confortable with themselves and their choices, they shouldn't have to feel the need to hide their actions. (The previous sentence does not apply to dirty commies.) PS: Also. Say Bob gave $10,000 to charity every year. This is all he can afford to give. Suddenly the government begins to tax him $5,000 a year for the purposes of welfare. Bob can now afford to give only $5,000 a year to charity. Furthermore, he feels ok since $10,000 of his money is still going to "the public good". Problem: Government beaurocracy/corruption/mismanagement does not to as good of a job as the Red Cross or the local church. In turn, only $9,000 of Bob's money is actually going to people who need it. The other $1,000 was absorbed by government overhead costs, corrupt beaurocrats embezzling the money, and just plain incompetant people mismanaging public funds. |
| Tommathy Posts: 252/339 |
Just like ||bass, I shall try to stick to the concrete and not the purely philosophical.
I disagree strongly with: - "Don't ask, don't tell" - Government intereference in marriage and other contracts (see below) - All political parties (their ideologies, not their existence) - "Zero Tolerance" policies - On the flip-side, the idea of employee "empowerment" - National Sales Tax - The new bankruptcy law - "One Size Fits All" primary and secondary education. Marriage and other contracts: More generally, the whole gay marriage debate. More specifically, the Virginia Marriage Affirmation Act, which reads in part: A civil union, partnership contract or other arrangement between persons of the same sex purporting to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage is prohibited. Which can be taken to mean that if I enter in a private contract that happens to possibly give a benefit similar to the thousand tax breaks and property rights agreements that relate to marriage, it can be declared void by the state. I agree with: - The US is one of the most succesful social experiments in recorded history, although that doesn't mean it couldn't be *better* - The private sector will always be vastly more efficient than the public, but cannot be depended upon to provide all services. - Legal assisted euthanasia. spiroth10 Do you write software? Thexare People pay for what they value. Take that how you will. Kario We know how this is going to go, and I don't really feel like getting into it with you. RoyChapman Economical means thrifty or affordable, Economic means relating to commerce and trade. ||bass Not that I'm pro-union or anything, ||bass, especially considering the state of unions as they stand today, but why shouldn't groups of workers be allowed to band together to negotiate? Further on the subject of assembly, why couldn't a group of individuals contract with eachother to share their resources equally a la communism? It would basically an (albeit extreme) extension of the concept of a co-op, consortium, or corporation, where large groups of people pool their resources for profit, except these people would be pooling *all* of their resources. If a person chooses to voluntarily surrender their assets to a commune, who are we to stop them? On the subject of speech: what falls under the purview of "anti-government" speech? Do you simply mean pro-anarchy commentary or criticism of the government in power? On the outlawing of cults: again, I'm no fan of the JWs either, but should the government really be taking my hard-earned money away from me to arrest and jail a bunch of praying wackos who don't want blood transfusions? Before I discuss social welfare, what falls under this guise? Unemployment benfits? Food stamps? Tax breaks for dependents? Social security? Free/Reduced school lunch? Education? And finally, the Fourth Amendment? Really? Would this only be the government that can waltz into your house whenever they want, or could I drop by anytime too? Are merely saying that society should be completely transparent to the government, or that we should all be comepletely transparent to eachother? |
| Arwon Posts: 329/631 |
So you're basing this on Libertarian sources and what happened with church organisations during the Depression? Grand. I think I'll stick with Centrelink (our bureaucratic but servicable government welfare bureacracy, which pays for my dinner and keeps me from running myself into the ground trying to scratch together rent).
Hey, how does faith-based charity work when you have a secular society with like we do now where hardly anyone goes to church, let alone donates? How would charity pay old age pensions or student benefits or disability payments? Do atheists and others with deviant lifestyles get support? Why should we rely on the good grace and agendas of church organisations to cover society's lack of ability to keep people from starving in the streets? Why is it that it is demonstrably harder to get by if you're poor in the 1st world country with the least-developed social welfare system, than in other first world countries? Should we take this to a new thread? |
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