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| spiroth10 Posts: 9/145 |
sorry, I didnt mean to come off so harsh... 
I was thinking about bigger problems -- like killing over beliefs... during the crusades, for example, christian crusaders killed an entire town and actually ATE the people in it. Radical groups today kill and terrorize those who dont believe the same as them. Im all for different beliefs -- small things like coffee arent really the topic i was trying to speak about -- Im talking about war over beliefs. killing. torture. horror. Things like the crusades, or other "holy wars", and not just saying certain lifestyles are wrong, but attacking those who follow them. is there really any excuse for these things? To push beliefs with violence and threats? |
| Tarale Posts: 1187/2713 |
Well, in some situations it's cause you think you're helping, or you think you're on a good thing and you want to share that good thing with others. If it's something you like, or has helped you, it's only natural that you might want to share that experience with other people.
I frequently try to share my beliefs in regards to coffee with people (espresso rocks!), for example. I happen to believe that a local coffee bar around here (called Bean Bar) makes the best coffee in Adelaide, and I tend to preach this belief to anybody who will listen to me for five seconds about coffee. However, with regards to any belief, it's important to understand that just because something appeals to you, helps you, or whatever, that it may not be for everyone. And it's not worth pushing that belief or idea down another person's throat if they don't want it.  Besides, some people I know get entirely too wired by Bean Bar's coffee anyways (and I should have kept my mouth shut). |
| Jomb Posts: 265/448 |
Because most people fear things they dont understand and feel threatened by people/things which are different than themselves. This is why tolerance for other cultures/beliefs/etc. tends to go up as education level goes up, as things get better understood by someone, the less bothered they will be by it, generally speaking. Sometimes its because the person in question has deep rooted problems on whatever the subject is (for example, an alarming number of gay-bashers are actually homosexuals themselves only in denial, to cover it up they lash out at the ones who are openly homosexual.) |
| ziratha Posts: 69/105 |
People think they are better than other people. That's the only reason they need. If a person tries to change your oppinion, it's often because they feel deep down that your disagreement somehow threatens their superiority. I call this the "peggy hill" syndrome. |
| candrodor Posts: 29/35 |
It's very hard to accept that your own views aren't the best ones. After all, if they weren't the best, then why would you hold them?
So. I disagree with plenty of people on plenty of things, and of course I wouldn't want them doing things I don't approve of, because there's a reason I don't approve of X or Y. It's not always so much a case of being unlearned or ignorant, it can occasionally be about not wanting X or Y to happen, because you honestly think it's for the best that it doesn't happen. There. So, does that mean I don't value other people's opinions and their right to do what they want? Depends how much I object, eh? :p Of course, saying all of the above is a bit of a coverall, and I don't actually think like that for everything, I'm sure. |
| TehGeno Posts: 1/25 |
People push their beleifs, because of their beleifs. Christians beleive that they should help other people. And, it's not helping them if you don't try to get them to Heaven. Now, I'm not saying pushing your beleifs on others is right, but they kinda have an obligation to do so. |
| Silvershield Posts: 282/587 |
There's little defense for the act of enforcing one's religious predilections on somebody else, but trying to convert an opponent's political biases is another story. Surely I can't justify trying to make you into a Christian if you're steadfastly against it, but in other cases - gay marriage is one example you use - the repurcussions of an opinion can affect more than just the person who holds that opinion. If you're a Christian or a Buddhist or a Satanist or whatever, it doesn't affect me, but if you're for gay marriage or abortion or gun control or the war in Iraq, then it just might. I think it's important to differentiate between issues that are purely personal and those that can alter the political or cultural complexion of a state. |
| spiroth10 Posts: 6/145 |
I thought this would be a postworthy topic.
Look at people and their beliefs (gay marriage, religion, which can of soup is better). why must we push our beliefs on others. If in your religion, we all go to hell if we dont believe the same as you, why do you care? More goodness in heavan for you! Why do we, as individuals AND a society, care about how others live their lives, and the consequences for THEM thereafter. Why must people fight each other because somebody violates their beliefs on their own behalf, in a situation affecting only them? If you have the right to say no to somebody elses belief, than you have no right to believe either. I am aware this post might offend others, and aware that many will try to say Im wrong. but if you are that person, realise that it could be you. Instead of hot debates like gay marriage, it COULD be straight marriage. in debates of religion, your religion could be targeted. I believe that a large part of the problem is not the uneducated, but the ignorant. For the uneducated can be taught, but with the ignorant there is no learning. As it has been said many times, we must tolerate the uneducated, for each of us is uneducated at something, but ignorance itself cannot be tolerated. it has to be ignored. Why does society listen to the ignorant? I dont know. my only guess is that the concept of society, the way we see it, doesn't work. That society, itself, is ignorant, but thats another debate for another time. edit: I think a good example of this is that one of my friends recently became christian, and when I asked him to allow others in our group to choose themselves which religion (if any) they wanted, and he was infuriated with me, to the point where a fight almost broke out. He stopped pushing his beliefs, but the fact that it got to that point if proof enough that this is a problem. Many countries guarantee the freedom to believe, but it is simply a mask over the truth if the majority believe in something, and are allowed to try and force beliefs on others. |
