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Crashman
Posts: 60/80
Saw Swartzenager on teh news last night talking about the new hydrogen powered Hummer. WHAT A JOKE! Like the world needs an environmentally friendly Hummer. Why are people SO STUPID?
NITIN
Posts: 48/64
It is indeed, to early for massproduction of fuel-cell cars but hybrids are pretty good. We should have more cars like the Toyota Prius. What better than the power of a petrol engine combined with the efficiency of an electric engine.
Skreename
Posts: 579/1427
I think the main reason that the alternative fuel source cars are so expensive is because they use technologies that aren't completely developed to the point of gasoline engines, and are therefore more expensive to both develop and build. This causes the price to increase for consumers as well.

Hybrid cars are a start, yes, but they do not have a worthwhile economic difference for the typical consumer to mandate their use over normal cars.
drjayphd
Posts: 566/1170
Hey, at least they're pushing hybrid and FlexFuel (ethanol) cars. It's a start, but we're certainly no Brazil up here.
NITIN
Posts: 41/64
We all need to stop using gasoline one day anyway. If the
big automotive companies start giving us AFFORDABLE cars
using alternative technology, we can rid ourselves of this
problem. The environment also will be safe. The thing that most of us can do right now is.........drive a small electric car. They're perfect for city driving -- small,
light, easy to drive, etc.
Arwon
Posts: 235/631
You know, the funny thing is they actually do. Mate of mine studies petroleum engineering, it's surprising how progressive the thinking of the industry is, in some ways.

They know they've got a finite product and they need to diversify or be at the forefront of replacement options, or they go out of business. The trick for the energy companies is to stay on top of this to maintain their market dominance, without creating something that accidentally utterly undermines their market position. The renewables/alternative energy revolution when it comes will be sponsored by Big Oil.
Young Guru
Posts: 104/279
Back to a slightly older topic in here, the difference between food services and energy providers is that there are many fold more food providers than energy providers. And energy providers are much more willing to work together to keep prices up. The only thing that keeps OPEC from gauging us even more is that Russia sometime steps in a says, "hey OPEC, we've got lot's of oil too and we're gonna screw you and under bid you by a whole lot." Then OPEC is forced to bring their prices down. And as it appears, many energy providers seem to have corupt financial dealings al a Enron and basically the colapse of all energy providers in California. For example, Enron posted for bankruptcy after having posted two years straight of increased profits. Now accounting like that just doesn't make any sense.

Sorry for the rant, I've got lots of pent up rage against the energy industry and it's inability to accept responsibility for itself and the welfare of the future of the world by refusing to do any meaningful research into renewable and clean energies.
Skreename
Posts: 483/1427
I've heard the public transportation's pretty good over in Europe... would definitely explain how they survive on the massive gas prices. Anyone care to verify?

Yes, increased prices will naturally make public transportation more viable.
Tarale
Posts: 1005/2713
Originally posted by Skreename
That actually tends to be the major reason why public transportation is unpopular... It's poorly done in a lot of areas, oftentimes having bad times to go from point A to point B, or even worse lacking routes altogether. On the other hand, when it's done well, it's VERY convenient... my college has a good public transportation system, and it's naturally very popular.


Our public transport is very.... inconsistent.

Some areas are well covered, with lots of buses at regular intervals, meaning that you can generally catch a bus there with minimal waiting time, get a bus that isn't overly crowded, and get to where you need to go.

Other areas are very inconsistently covered however, the buses are few and far between, travel weird routes and are overcrowded.

I would dearly love for the department to have a good look at it and try to make things better because if petrol prices keep rising, people will start relying on public transport more, and more demand on the system in only making things worse.
Skreename
Posts: 464/1427
That actually tends to be the major reason why public transportation is unpopular... It's poorly done in a lot of areas, oftentimes having bad times to go from point A to point B, or even worse lacking routes altogether. On the other hand, when it's done well, it's VERY convenient... my college has a good public transportation system, and it's naturally very popular.
Tarale
Posts: 1004/2713
Originally posted by Reshaper256
Anyone else carpool? I've driven my girlfriend to college every single day that we had classes this year, so we split the cost of the gas. It's about a forty-mile drive round-trip.


No, but I did when I worked at the same workplace as my former housemate. It was a good way to share the cost of driving in to work, and it's also nice to have companionship on your travel too

Now I live alone I catch public transport instead. Which currently has a higher demand on it than usual -- a demand that our public transport authority seems not to be able to cope with well.
Reshaper256
Posts: 48/196
Anyone else carpool? I've driven my girlfriend to college every single day that we had classes this year, so we split the cost of the gas. It's about a forty-mile drive round-trip.
Pandabear
Posts: 29/41
I think its getting really rediculous the gas prices. To take a driving trip down to North Carolina used to cost, maybe $200 tops? Just for the gas(gestimates)!~ But now, its about $600 which is why id rather choose flying... But, getting around the small city im in, its a pain because driving alot is just destroying like half of your paycheck...I find it to be rediculous
Tarale
Posts: 999/2713
You know, you don't have to hunt necessarily either -- I hear that it is actually possible to y'know... cultivate foodstuffs.... in the ground... y'know, those... vegetable... thingies and grains...and fruits....

You just want to eat all the cute, fuzzy, cuddly... tasty, MEATY critters, don't you? I know I do. Give me all your meats. Mmmm...meat.
Skreename
Posts: 439/1427
I don't really think that you can typically hunt enough to survive off of for long periods of time, so I don't think that comparison works too well.
Deleted User
Posts: 14/-7750
LOL, what kind of hunting?....
Thexare
Posts: 617/1104
Originally posted by mattp

I just had a thought about something. Don't oil companies kind of have a monopoly on us? They are the only option when it comes to powering our cars... there's no competition. Isn't that by definition a monopoly?

Just a thought.

Don't the food companies have a monopoly on us? They are the only option when it comes to powering us... there's no competition. Isn't that by definition a monopoly?

Just a thought.




I see the point you're trying to make, but last I checked hunting is still legal.
mattp
Posts: 169/174

I just had a thought about something. Don't oil companies kind of have a monopoly on us? They are the only option when it comes to powering our cars... there's no competition. Isn't that by definition a monopoly?

Just a thought.

Don't the food companies have a monopoly on us? They are the only option when it comes to powering us... there's no competition. Isn't that by definition a monopoly?

Just a thought.

Arwon
Posts: 233/631
I think the word youse are looking for is "oligopoly"
Kanop
Posts: 19/36
The gas prices have gone through the roof, and past heaven...
I wish it can go to hell one day...
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