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Silvershield
Posts: 261/587
I can prove that I had one too but, after going through all the trouble to fight this, I doubt I'd even make use of it if I my custom title were reinstated. I'm not bringing up this issue out of selfish desire to have a title for myself, but because I see it as a component of this board that is undeniably counterproductive. People so often preach about the evils of spam, or a banned user is given a witty little custom title that notes that he was banned for spamming, but all the while there's an incredibly active forum that allows and encourages it. And these titles give the illusion that the possessor is an exceptionally contributing member, while it's likely that he just spends a bunch of time in that ridiculous forum.
Surlent
Posts: 54/103
You overrate custom titles by far.
Even if you are granted one (like if you had one before), it is only "bypassed". So anyone without fulfilling the requirement with one will lose it, if he or she edits it and leaves the field blank and submit the profile changes.

It is a neat addition, but if I'm in that desparate mood to need one again (I got my one back earlier, since I proved I had one), I would make a layout and maybe put some nice stuff into it or into the signature part.
This way I lost my title (hence the red user name and a mouse-over link I didn't took serious - and read the thread about it much later ), but I won't need it anyway, hehe.

As for spamming and Craziness domain, some things bothered me in the old AcmlmBoard as well, but I didn't pay too much attention and I rather replied to the threads which interested me only. And you, Silvershield, at least your name is telling something, already from the first AcmlmBoard. It simply IS selection whom to give a custom title, it is similar to selecting staff users.

A intelligent but flaming user might have less chances to get a spot as someone with same knowledge but who might not behave like he/she is somewhat better.
Since we all are human beings, this never will be changed.
Silvershield
Posts: 257/587
Originally posted by Dagsha
1. "Is it weird to eat graphite", a thread that rapidly evolved into discussion of weird habits like that
2. "I like the taste of blood", which would rapidly turn into some fun talking about how the poster is a vampire or other weird shit
3. "Congratulate me on posting 57 threads", a thread about nothing
4. "5000 threads yay", a perfectly allowed thread celebrating the board's 5000th thread
5. "THE SECRET ORIGIN OF SHIT", a stupidly pointless thread by a banned member (I'm guessing)


We have serious forums for a reason, Silv.
So, a thread that "would" evolve into something of worth, a thread about "nothing," and a "stupidly pointless thread" constitute worthwhile discussion? The two exceptions, if they are as valuable as you suggest, would be perfectly relevant and acceptable in Gen Chat instead, so they're not even in the right forum. Essentially, the only threads that really belong in Craziness are the ones that are worthless. So, we have a forum for talking about nothing. That's what spam is.

Originally posted by Dagsha
Craziness has always been a partial exception to the rules.
If the rule is so stringent as to merit a "goddamn" in the FAQ, why is an exception allowed?

Originally posted by Dagsha
I expressly put down the suggestion of making posts there not count. it would be in both violation of my own will, and violation of Acmlm's.
Why?

Originally posted by Dagsha
If you detest the way we handle custom titles, get over it. We hand out exceptions rarely, but that is to people who make quality posts on a regular basis.
So, the best way to deal with a problem is to "get over it?" Should people who objected to Hitler's regime have "gotten over it?" (Godwin invoked intentionally, to be funny [I hope]). But seriously, why should I have to "get over" something instead of pursuing a solution to it?

What is your definition of a "quality post" and a "regular basis?"
D 2007
Posts: 228/497
Craziness has always been a partial exception to the rules.

I expressly put down the suggestion of making posts there not count. it would be in both violation of my own will, and violation of Acmlm's.

Sorry.

If you detest the way we handle custom titles, get over it. We hand out exceptions rarely, but that is to people who make quality posts on a regular basis.

Silvershield
Posts: 256/587
Originally posted by Tarale
Yes, but that forum's been here in the four...five or so years I've been here, it's part of the place. It's always been pretty silly too. I personally have no problem with it, but then there is no expectation for me to participate in it or anything so for the most part I ignore it. It obviously provides a lot of enjoyment for some members of the forum though, and I would have to argue that this place would not be the same without it. It may be silly, but it's a social centre of this place to a large extent.
Just because something is tradition isn't reason enough to allow it to remain. A major criticism of people who are politically conservative is that those ideals which are to be conserved should prove some merit in the present day - a history of useful contribution in the past is not reason enough to preserve an otherwise useless tradition.

I don't know why the social center of this board is a forum that explicitly deviates from a rule posted prominently in the oft-cited FAQ. Rule one: no spamming. There it is, in plain letters and with a bit of profanity to hammer home the point, yet one of the most active boards at Acmlm's is in direct violation. How ridiculous is that? Why can't social life here revolve around discussion of topics that have at least some significance? Most of General Chat, with some occasional exceptions, qualifies, so why do people flock to Craziness?

Because they can post like crazy (pun intended) and get away with it. That's why.

Originally posted by Tarale
Would you feel happier perhaps then though if that forum did not contribute to the post count / personal title of users?
That's a great suggestion that I wish I'd thought of. Anyone using Craziness Domain for what you describe - as a social board - don't care much that it's boosting their post counts; people using it to inflate their post counts are violating the rules anyway, so it's ok if they lose out by getting a custom title later. Cool with me.
D 2007
Posts: 227/497
1. "Is it weird to eat graphite", a thread that rapidly evolved into discussion of weird habits like that
2. "I like the taste of blood", which would rapidly turn into some fun talking about how the poster is a vampire or other weird shit
3. "Congratulate me on posting 57 threads", a thread about nothing
4. "5000 threads yay", a perfectly allowed thread celebrating the board's 5000th thread
5. "THE SECRET ORIGIN OF SHIT", a stupidly pointless thread by a banned member (I'm guessing)


We have serious forums for a reason, Silv.
Tarale
Posts: 959/2713
Yes, but that forum's been here in the four...five or so years I've been here, it's part of the place. It's always been pretty silly too. I personally have no problem with it, but then there is no expectation for me to participate in it or anything so for the most part I ignore it. It obviously provides a lot of enjoyment for some members of the forum though, and I would have to argue that this place would not be the same without it. It may be silly, but it's a social centre of this place to a large extent.

Would you feel happier perhaps then though if that forum did not contribute to the post count / personal title of users?
Silvershield
Posts: 255/587
Originally posted by Tarale
I'm not sure if I was making a suggestion, I just thought that's what you were driving at.


At the moment the system's automated based on the only thing I can think of it that you could automate easily -- post count -- I can't think of any other automatic way of doing things, so that would leave a manual solution, which as you pointed out is flawed too.
The only viable manual methods would be too labor intensive to be practical considering the meager return on the time investment. That is to say, it would take a lot of micromanagement to make a manual system to work - multiple moderators regulary scanning various topics and keeping tabs on individual users, and coming to a consensus on the value of each - but it "could" work.

Originally posted by Tarale
Also, it might be worth noting that what you consider "spam" and what I and other posters consider "spam" might be entirely different things. As you generally seem to post in very serious topics I would gather that you have a very high standard for expected post quality.
I don't expect everyone to write a dissertation every time they post (like I have the dubious habit of doing...), but you honestly must recognize what goes on in some of our forums here. To pick a few winners out of the current lineup in the Craziness Domain:

1. Is it weird to eat graphite?
2. Man, I just love the taste of blood.
3. Let's all get together and congratulate me on posting 57 threads.
4. 5,000 threads yay
5. Secret Origin of Wurl?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

Those are all thread titles from Craziness; you can just guess at how profound and worthwhile their content must be. And they're just a quick sample from scanning the first page - I could go on much longer if you'd like.

I'm not asking that everyone write 1000 words of hard-hitting political rhetoric in each post, but c'mon - that stuff is nonsense! I'm all for having fun, but there is a limit. An entire forum devoted to spam is beyond that limit.

Edit for subject-verb agreement.
Tarale
Posts: 958/2713
I'm not sure if I was making a suggestion, I just thought that's what you were driving at.

At the moment the system's automated based on the only thing I can think of it that you could automate easily -- post count -- I can't think of any other automatic way of doing things, so that would leave a manual solution, which as you pointed out is flawed too.

Also, it might be worth noting that what you consider "spam" and what I and other posters consider "spam" might be entirely different things. As you generally seem to post in very serious topics I would gather that you have a very high standard for expected post quality.
Silvershield
Posts: 254/587
Originally posted by Dagsha
Maybe we should just take them out entirely, Silvershield, yes?

(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10, ding)
I don't know if that is the best choice, really.

(ding)
D 2007
Posts: 226/497
Maybe we should just take them out entirely, Silvershield, yes?

(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10, ding)
Silvershield
Posts: 253/587
Originally posted by Tarale
So are you requesting a system that is not automated and requires staff to manually turn on the feature depending on post quality?
No, I'm neither requesting a change nor suggesting any sort of appropriate measure to replace what we currently have. I'm just pointing out that, as it stands, a perk that is intended as a reward for valuable citizenship is, in reality, an indicator that a person is responsible for a good bit of one of Internet message boards' high crimes - that is, spamming. I don't mean to label some of our more respected members as spammers, but let me be realistic: the Craziness Domain contains, as I said, little more that sanctioned, thinly-veiled spam, and the three members with the overwhelmingly highest post counts are all especially active in that forum. Do the math.

The only foolproof solution is to open custom titles to everyone, but that's not ideal; I like to think that it should be kept as a bonus for people who have demonstrated their worth, but the current criterion for determining worth is not a relevant one for indicating that attribute. Your suggestion that a moderator can flag a user who has demonstrated merit is a good one on paper, but it is flawed isasmuch as many users who are certainly valuable to the board community could easily fly under the radar. A person who is invaluable in a ROM hacking forum, for example, might never draw the attention of a person who could grant him a title, because that forum is not heavily trafficked.
D 2007
Posts: 225/497
Originally posted by Silvershield
"pop into a thread, scribble ten words that are irrelevant..."

butter and spam foods can unite to form delicious sandwiches

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Tarale
Posts: 956/2713
So are you requesting a system that is not automated and requires staff to manually turn on the feature depending on post quality?
Silvershield
Posts: 252/587
Originally posted by Rain Man
If you don't like the fact that you get a custom title if your on staff [...]
That's fine, and totally justified; if you merit promotion to staff, then you certainly merit a custom title.

Originally posted by Rain Man
[...] or you have to work to get one (which is what most normal people do mate ), then just leave, lol.
Uhh...no. Have you read a word I've written? Unless by "work" you mean "pop into a thread, scribble ten words that are irrelevant or at least contribute little of value, and run off to pop into a different thread and do the same thing" then you've got the idea exactly. Otherwise, no, there's really no work involved. A reward that's supposed to reflect a user's contribution to the board only reflects that user's willingness to write as much as is humanly possible without worrying whether it contributes much of anything.
Rain Man
Posts: 38/71
You know where the door is.

If you don't like the fact that you get a custom title if your on staff, or you have to work to get one (which is what most normal people do mate ), then just leave, lol.

Seriously, it's no big deal. Besides, you can always use your sig
Silvershield
Posts: 250/587
Originally posted by MathOnNapkins
If it made you quit crying, I would gladly give you my custom title. And btw, I don't spam and I earned mine on the second board, it took about 9-12 months I believe. (3-4 posts per day).
Quit crying? I'm hardly "crying" about anything.

You guys all suck! I want a custom title too, and I don't want to work for it! You're all stupid spammers!

That's crying. What I did was take the time to put together an argument far more comprehensive than is probably appropriate for the silly subject matter, but which is valid nonetheless. This isn't an issue of me complaining about something without reason, or protesting against a system that is essentially flawless, but me pointing out how ridiculous the justification behind these custom titles is. Essentially, you spam and you get recognition and an added degree of freedom in the form of a custom title; otherwise, you never achieve such a thing.

At the old board - the very first one, I should say - I had a custom title too. But that was after being there for years. It didn't exactly come quick. For a point of reference, Skydude picked up his custom title after being here for a period of mere weeks. Now, I love him to death, but a lot of his posts are of questionable content just judging from his prominence in the various stickied threads in Craziness. (In his defense, he's quite active in the Story Forum and formerly in Debate, so he is something of an exception.)
MathOnNapkins
Posts: 438/1106
If it made you quit crying, I would gladly give you my custom title. And btw, I don't spam and I earned mine on the second board, it took about 9-12 months I believe. (3-4 posts per day).
Silvershield
Posts: 249/587
Originally posted by Tarale
Ok, no more custom title

Or were you talking to Danielle specifically?
I was being sarcastic.

Essentially, nothing is a "big deal" as long as it isn't detrimental to you. The five guys that I grouped with this year to enter next year's housing selection at my college all had a rather low total of priority points (the score that determines how a person ranks as far as what order they'll choose their living space), making our group average rather low even as mine personally was high. We ended up being forced into the least desirable dorm building on campus, while our two groups of friends had higher averages and each got the most desirable building. While I and my partners complain about how much we resent where we've ended up, our friends all talk about how great it would be to have the housing we have, citing reasons A, B, and C. "If it's really going to be so great," I ask them, "why don't you and I switch and I'll live in your spot next year while you take mine?" Naturally, they all refuse.

You see, getting the short end of the stick isn't so bad as long as you've got the long end; it takes actually experience being screwed to understand how much being screwed sucks.

Originally posted by Danielle
Why?

Even if I wasn't on staff, I'd have legitimately earned it by now.
So? No matter what the reason for which you have it, you still play it off as it it's not a big thing. If it really isn't a big thing, surrender your right to have it at all. You spammed like crazy to have that stupid little custom title - and note that I don't mean to say that you, Danielle, have spammed, but that a great proportion of the higher post count users have a record of less than thoughtful posts - and it's not a big deal because it required so little effort. But try to post as I do - again, note that I'm using myself as an example rather than to paint myself as some sort of paragon - and you'll find that you'll probably never reach that sort of post count. I don't participate in any sort of thread that calls for little one-liner posts, or in any thread that encourages terse back and forth discussion; I aim for quality over quantity, to use the cliche.

Originally posted by Imajin
I suppose it's like the ranks, a little thing for making the board active... (in the right way)
The right way? Good luck finding any member with a significant post count who doesn't participate in the sort of thread that is a million pages worth of mindless stupidity. See most anything in the Craziness Domain, if you need an example. That forum is just sanctioned, thinly-veiled spamming.

Edit:
Just to back up what I've said, let me give you a rundown of the three top-ranked members' posting habits. Nothing against Alastor, Danielle, or Trapster, but all of the three have something in common. Alastor has twice as many posts in Craziness as in the next closest forum; Danielle's second most-posted forum is Craziness, following General Chat by a small margin (and, it should be noted, Gen Chat is often full of threads that are better suited to Craziness...); Trapster has at least 200 more posts in Craziness than in any other forum. Of the three, the Display Case also consitutes a significant percentage of posts, but a bit of delving demonstrates that that forum is full of mainly Craziness Domain threads or, at the very least, threads from less spammy forums that are individually somewhat spammy in nature anyway.

I've gone through quite a bit of effort to prove something so trivial, but what it comes down to is that this board rewards people who post mindless garbage at as fast a rate as possible. That stupid custom title is supposed to be something of a status symbol that demonstrates a member's superiority in some respect, but those posters who have titles - or, at least the ones who achieve them quickly - are really superior only in that they can run around to worthless threads, post three lines of drivel, and bail out to dash to another similarly pointless thread. No offense intended, but seriously, the system is flawed.
Imajin
Posts: 141/273
I think I've twice inherited my custom title... But I had over 10,000 on the original AcmlmBoard, so I earned it multiple times over...

And now I can't even get 150...

But yeah, the Custom Title doesn't mean much- I suppose it's like the ranks, a little thing for making the board active... (in the right way)
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