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| emcee Posts: 410/867 |
Trojan horses, spyware, viruses, and worms are all different things, but all forms of malware. So I guess what I should have said is she probably had malware. Although, it wasn't nessicarily a keylogger. It could have just sent her login cookie to someone else.
Also, I believe this is the distinction: Trojans appear to be something else when downloaded and/or installed. Spyware logs private information, and normally sends it to someone else. Viruses infect other files. And worms enter the system througgh a security hole in a program. I guess there's probably some overlap. The other three could also be spyware. And a trojan or a worm could also infect files, like a virus. |
| Skreename Posts: 212/1427 |
According to Wikipedia, viruses corrupt files and applications (such as word documents, screen savers, etc.), while worms transmit on their own. Meaning... You could send someone a report for class and have a virus in it, but not a worm. Likewise a virus won't go on its own, it'll be stuck in another file. |
| Alastor Posts: 4788/8204 |
They all have different patterns, which is where their labels come from.
Trojans are set up by computer users knowledgably, although generally without them knowing it's a bad thing. Hence the name. Virus is the generic self-propogating malware term. (may be wrong about this) Worms are those that spread themselves quickly by using something else as a base, like a parasitic worm. |
| Skydude Posts: 2509/2607 |
I was of the impression that trojans were a sort of virus. I could be wrong, though. I have the feeling that viruses, trojans, and spyware are largely categories which sort of bleed into each other depending on which particular features you're discussing. |
| Alastor Posts: 4784/8204 |
Most keyloggers would fit more with the descriptions of trojans than those of viruses, actually  |
| Hawksun Posts: 87/122 |
One feature of viruses is that they can auto-replicate themselves to continue their contamination, but can spyware do the same thing on their own?(I'm lacking info on the subject so I don't exactly know) If so, then it would be correct to classify spyware as viruses. |
| Skreename Posts: 205/1427 |
I'm pretty sure the virus designation depends on how it's spread. Keyloggers will always be spyware, but if they're transmitted a specific way, they're also viruses. Well... that sounds good to me, at least. |
| Hawksun Posts: 85/122 |
I think Key loggers are spyware, not sure though, but seems logical to me. |
| Skydude Posts: 2493/2607 |
Well, if you're going to get technical, I'm not sure whether all keystroke loggers, which is what it likely was, would be viruses. I'm really not sure of the terminology. |
| emcee Posts: 409/867 |
Originally posted by Alastor the Stylish Only if you know it's only special symbols. Anyway, if her password was stolen twice, she probably had (or has) a virus. |
| Xeruss Posts: 214/309 |
Originally posted by Alastor the Stylish What about spaces? They provide a good degree of protection too; correct? |
| Alastor Posts: 4773/8204 |
Nothing but special symbols != secure. That vastly narrows the possibilities. |
| Forte.EXE Posts: 465/1503 |
Alice DID have a secure password. When my instructor Red for my Windows XP class asked her how the guy could figure out her password, she told the class (most listened, only a few kept on working on the day's assignment out of the book) that she was baffled that someone could hacked her password. It contained only special symbols.
If I remeber correctly from Red, he said, "Well Alice, you'll never know what kind of weird-ass bozos would scower the internet for accounts to hack and screw the person owning the account. That's why I always change my password for accounts I own in different websites I visit regularly." She replied that she used to change them weekly and re-setting the password but once life got hectic (due to college, a surgeroy she had to repair rher torn kneecap in teh left leg, and her grandmother passing away a year ago) for her she just forgot about it. And he's guessed that it's when she was vunerable to hacking. You wouldn't believe how many re-directed phonecalls she had when calling up eBay to different states to straighten thsi crap out before just giving up and cancling the account off eBay. |
| emcee Posts: 408/867 |
Actually, the main reason things are so cheap on ebay is competition. If you do a search and come up with 50 people selling what you want, chances are you'll just go to the cheapest one. That and the bids are spread out over alot of different auctions. So the sellers that survive are those that have a very cheap source for whatever it is they sell.
Also, there's the shipping. Most sellers actually make some profit off the shipping. Setting the price low and the shipping high, gets people to atleast click on the link in the search results. Also, ebay doesn't charge a commission on shipping. This is why I browse with it set to show the shipping on the results page. I use a sniping program, though. I could bid right when I see what I want, but then the person I outbid would likely come by and outbid me, pushing the price up. If I just snipe the auction the price stays the same, and I can change my mind before the auction ends if I want. There is also alot of conartists on ebay. People who sell bootleg software, movies and games, or repackaged freeware. And generally spam every catagory with unrelated crap. And as long as they're bringing in the auction fees, ebay doesn't care, even if you specifically point the people out. Alot of them are even powersellers. Actually, I've been working on a solution for this over he past few days. |
| asdf Posts: 2191/4077 |
Originally posted by Skydude Oh, but that is often the case. Check it out. It's crazy, I tells ya!  |
| Skydude Posts: 2469/2607 |
I really seem to recall FF7 being much, much cheaper. I imagine the demand went up a lot recently due to the hype about Advent Children, leading to a big price increase. |
| Alastor Posts: 4765/8204 |
Originally posted by Forte.EXEThe trick is to have a secure password. At least 8 characters, and making use of numbers, letters, and symbols helps. And not having it be the same thing there as anywhere else. |
| NSNick Posts: 1023/2228 |
Originally posted by Skydude $29.99 used. |
| Forte.EXE Posts: 455/1503 |
I don't trust eBay as much as I used too... had a friend of mine -- her name was Alice. She's a student I know at Scott Community College -- who used to perform an auction on eBay, and her account was hacked.
Story is that she had lots of furiture, garden tools, stuff you'd normally have around the home to sell on eBay, and when her account was hacked. After she found out the next day, her credit account bankrupted after an `02 truck was sold. She was apparently screwed since she didn't perform that auction and never sold a truck since she never OWNED a truck. She called up the company in various states before she finally managed to contact the head honcho in charge of eBay sales and stuff, and was able to straighten out this whole thing out in after two months. She got the money back that she had apparently lost, but the guy who hacked her account was never caught (cause the guy never lived in the US). So, she got the account changed, password changed, and guess what... she was hacked yet again. She went through the whole BS once more, then after she was able to get this crap straightened out once more, she sent them a letter, told them "Screw you, I'm cancling my account." But... as for the original topic; certian things sold on eBay have different prices. I mean, I've seen those Beenie Babies auctions, and one time, I've seen this auction where someone in California paid over $500 just to have the mallard duck Beenie Baby. Talk about spending cash... Though I must agree with Skydude, FF7 being sold for $38? I doubt it... unless they want to be as cheap as humanly possible. |
| Skydude Posts: 2462/2607 |
Yup, that's pretty much exactly why they do it. Some kids probably still collect Beanie Babies, but at this point it's become very much a collector's market, as well as those who want to profit by selling *to* collectors. So TY makes them artificially rare to drive up demand that way. |
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