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| Ziff Posts: 176/1800 |
He was saying that the threat from terrorists actions don't necessitate the need for a Crusade. Or at least that's what I got from his comments. |
| Black Lord + Posts: 19/273 |
Originally posted by blackhole89 So you're saying that, everyday when I read the paper and another car-bombing occurs, and innocent people are killed, that it's just Bush's administration making up a threat of terrorism. The threat is definately there, and if it wasn't, there would still be two towers standing in New York city. Am I not right? |
| blackhole89 Posts: 39/427 |
For your interest: The whole "threat by terrorism" has been inflated by the Bush administration to the size of a fucking GIANT DINOSAUR. The sole fact some islamist madmen have killed 3000 people does not make up for attacking two random countries of which one was not even involved in any way (it is a known fact Saddam and the Islamists hated each other), kill 10 times as many or even more civilians, declare human rights for void and start a worldwide panic propaganda campain. The "threat by terrorism" was inflated by the US government for a basic reason: If they had not invented it, they would not have been elected again.
On the topic of all the drama over there concerning the 2000+ US soldiers who died in Iraq: I'd like to remind you that's how war works. Don't act as if losses in war were something new, or the democracy you think to stand for would give you any divine advantage. On the "Islamic Extremist Axis of Evil" arguments - give it another decade and the US will be the exact same as Iran, just with christian rather than islamic extremists.  |
| MathOnNapkins Posts: 74/1106 |
Yeah except with my new scientology courses, I'll learn how to become a god, while you'll still be sitting there delusional with nondepleted funds. But it's okay, when I get OTVIII I'll be making money fall out of my ass like diarrhea.  |
| Kutske Posts: 55/171 |
*nefarious laughter*
My plan is working brilliantly. Soon, due to my constant piquing of other people's curiosity, I will be the only person left who isn't wasting three hours researching someone. With uncontested and unbridled power, I will become as the gods! *thunder claps, crows caw, bats flutter out of a bellfry* |
| MathOnNapkins Posts: 51/1106 |
I would just like to thank Kutsuke for piquing my curiosity enough to make me waste 3 hours reading up on scientology.  |
| Imajin Posts: 9/273 |
Perhaps 8 days is a bump, but it's on the first page.
Now, let's say that somehow the electors go insane and I end up President. And September 11 happens- perhaps it was caused by screwups in the Bush Administration that would never have happened in the Imajin Administration, but we'll ignore that- once we have the information on the hijackers, there are two countries that end up on my "hit list"- Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. Afghanistan probably ends up going like Afghanistan, though I would go quicker and focus on catching Bin Laden. Saudi Arabia is different, but I'd have to force them to cease supporting radical Wahhabism in oher countries. I'd like to get them to reform, but that might take fulscale war, which would, being a war, necessitate occupation of the major Saudi cities- including Mecca and Medina. American troops in the Holy Cities of Islam might cause some problems... On the home front, I would push for healthcare reform. I rather like the "individual mandate" plan being pushed for in our world by Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA), where everyone is required to buy healthcare, and a cheap plan is provided for those who can't afford to buy healthcare from private companies but make enough money that they don't qualify for free healthcare. |
| Deleted User Posts: 43/-7750 |
Originally posted by Clockworkz That would have just been pouring like an entire can of lighter fluid directly over a grill and not moving your hand out of the way. It would have just increased antagonizations, and while it's true that the war in Iraq hasn't help much for that, it's a much better option than just opting to randomly kill civilians just to give a show of strength. Do you really think they would have left us alone if we'd opted for your idea? XD |
| Kutske Posts: 27/171 |
Yes yes, sarcasm sarcasm, harrumph harrumph. Also, I meant "sure it did" not "sure it is." You know, I had actually typed up around a dozen and a half lengthy paragraphs, but I decided not to post it because I feel that Bookworm does not have genuine intentions behind seeking the opinions of others, he just seems to want to make himself feel good about supporting Bush. He's trying to prove something to himself, it seems, not to the rest of us.
It's pointless to argue the whole Bush thing, anyway, because nobody is going to have their opinion changed, no one is going to be the least bit informed and in the end, it'll all degenerate to a flame war centering on Bush's strict Christian fundamentalist ideals. I'm more content to sit back and let antiquity decide what sort of president he was. |
| emcee Posts: 15/867 |
Originally posted by Kutske I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but with some of what I seen people post while being completely serious, it's hard to tell. |
| Kutske Posts: 20/171 |
emcee: The entire Middle East didn't attack us. Sure it is; a part of something represents the whole of something, obviously. Otherwise the landmark Scientology V. The Internet would have never taken place. |
| emcee Posts: 14/867 |
Originally posted by Clockworkz The entire Middle East didn't attack us. |
| Clockworkz Posts: 22/984 |
If I was in Bush's shoes, I would have never gone to war. I would have jsut send a message to the Middle east after they attacked us, saying, "Look. We have a bomb aimed for your asses. Try this shit again, we'll show you how serious we are." One of two things will happen: They call our bluff and leave us alone, or they don't buy it and attack again. THen, we launch the bomb, kill about 10000 people, and they'll wake up and say "Oh, shit! These bastards really are serious!" and leave us alone. |
| emcee Posts: 10/867 |
Originally posted by geeogree Yeah, you're right, I mean we all know poor people are stupid, I mean they must be or why else are they poor? (just in case my tone wasn't apparent: that's sarcasm). When I was growing up we were dirt poor. Like the majority of families below the poverty line, my mother always had at least one fulltime job, but there was still very little money to live on, and definately not enough to provide us with higher education. Now, I could have worked real hard, got straight A's and earned a scholarship, but I didn't, because I was young and stupid and I made a mistake. We all make mistakes growing up, rich and poor. The difference is those with money have a better chance of recovering from their mistakes. If they don't get the grades for a scholarship, their parents can pay tutition. If they develop a drinking problem, they can stop work and go to rehab. Clearly, with enough money, an alcoholic with bad grades can become president. I eventually got a job at a machine shop, and have since learned enough of the trade to make a decent living. Unfortuately, not everyone from a poor background is given this opportunity, and they will eventually have children who will be put in the same situation. No one is talking about "throwing money at the poor", (although it should come at no surprise that they need to eat), they should just be given the same opportunities to recover from their mistakes, and break out of the cycle of low paying jobs, alcholism and drug addiction. |
| Cruel Justice Posts: 76/1637 |
He's not a fool, he just seems unaware of what he's doing most of the time. That's why he has advisors. At this point I cannot say I like him very much but any untimely event is not always his fault, it's the people's. That's republican for ya, it'll end soon enough. |
| Schweiz oder etwas Posts: 85/2046 |
The Bush administration WAS responsible for a lot of the threats from terror in the early days of his presidency.
Bill Clinton, after the craze of Kosovo had blown over, had his administration design a plan to help combat and counter terrorism before it even started. There was a lot of funding going into the antiterror plans as it was, they were inexpensive, effective, and all set to go. All that had to happen was Rice and Rumsfeld had to agree to it. They didn't. I would have. |
| Wurl Posts: 45/842 |
Originally posted by geeogree It's not throwing money at them. It's helping the ones who need help and want it. I'm not talking about giving everybody unlimited welfare when they want it. |
| hhallahh Posts: 5/13 |
Originally posted by Bookworm Uh, let me think about this one... Not go to war, maybe? |
| Kingpin Posts: 25/709 |
Originally posted by Wurl Um... Salvation Army anyone? I have no compassion for homeless people, most of them are there because of their own choices. The only ones I feel sorry for are the mentally disabled people that are homeless. They dont really have a choice. |
| geeogree Posts: 16/207 |
Peter: is she good? Kary sure sounds good.
Wurl: same difference.... you can only help the poor if they want to be helped.... so throwing money at them may not do much to actually improve their situations... sure maybe now they can buy a new TV.... or something.... but giving them money won't do anything if they're not smart enough to do something worthwhile with it |
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