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Skreename Posts: 313/1427 |
I don't think the anthem itself is a big deal... People know at most, what, one verse? And most don't even really know that, just the tune.
And, on another note, even groups that make up only 3% of the population do have a decent amount of sway. If one appears to be stomping on the minorities, there will be a decent number of other people who take issue. As for illegal aliens, there is a bit of an issue with the whole method of getting into the country legally... And for Vyper's comment about a passport, last I checked those only allow VISITS. Not for you to LIVE THERE. Just a slight difference. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Arwon Posts: 229/631 |
I used the bilingual phrase cos it's one of those things that, due to cognates, is extremely obvious. And yo no se que is a really obscure joke about the French phrase je nais se quoi (not sure of the spelling).
Anyways... my first thought was what's the word for "Spangled". Somehow I think La bandera espanglada con estrellas (or something like that, my Spanish is still prety rudimentary) wouldn't have the same ring to it. c(: Um, more seriously, it's an absolute non-issue. The friggin White House website has a section with the Spanish words, Bush himself has sung the anthem in Spanish on the campaign trail in the past in places where he was campaigning in Latino communities. Besides which, the US anthem doesn't exactly have any mystical unalterable significance. I understand that the lyrics have changed a little and been adapted to portray US-American patriotism with Latino sensibilities or something like that... but regardless it is just one of several patriotic tunes so at most this is adding one more. That isn't a heinous crime, it's entirely sensible. Moreover, Star Spangled Banner is not that popular, it's an unsingable song of explosions and defeat, and it's taken from a British drinking song. It's not some unalterable prayer brought down by a choir of archangels, fucking with it is entirely legit. Hell, O Canada has been translated not only into French, but several native languages, Spanish, and apparently Cantonese and Mandarin. They've got the right idea here. Bush said he thinks it ought to be sung in English only... this strikes me as a staggeringly bad PR move. The only way it makes any sense is if the Republican Party has just totally given up on courting the latino vote and gone into full-on play-to-the-far-right-racists mode. Which doesn't make sense, there's more Latinos than crazy racists. One more hole in the anti-immgrant rhetoric: 2/3rds of Illegal Immigrants pay income tax and other things, but they can't get most government services and so forth. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Billiards Koopa Posts: 14/174 |
Originally posted by ArwonOriginally posted by Vyper For the morons who can't speak Spanish, he said A bilinqual Nation, and It has a certain "I don't know what" Dickwads. While I'm speaking Soanish, what do you think about the Anthem in Spanish? | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Arwon Posts: 173/631 |
Originally posted by Vyper Two things: No it isn't. Second: Virtually everyone does. I defy you to find me a significant number of second-generation immigrants who do not speak English. As for first-gen, that's just how it works, not every first-gen immigrant will ever learn the language of their new country with any real success. Even when there's serious effort, any language is difficult to learn with fluency, especially in adulthood. You're going to end up una nación bilingüe. You practically are already, but so fucking what? How does that hurt you in even the slightest way? The language thing really isn't an issue, and besides, Spanish is a great language, it has a certain... yo no se que. ... Finally, as a general point, I think blaming the shitty employment conditions at the bottom end of the American labour market on immigrants, illegal or otherwise, is insane and wrong, as it has been every other time through US history that the idea has raised its ugly head. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
emcee Posts: 388/867 |
Originally posted by Dracoon We need a new class of work visa (not citizenship) that doesn't require the holder be a professional or in a managerial position, and doesn't require large processing fees. This of course doesn't deal with the 11 to 12 million illegal immigrants already here. Well, we obviously can't just round them all up an deport them. It's economically unfeasible, would cause widespread civil unrest, and they would likely come right back anyway. The only reasonable solution is to give these people amnesty so they can obtain legal documentation, and get legitimate jobs. Once it becomes possible for the average dirt poor Mexican to easily obtain legal document from within Mexico, illegal immigrant would likely all but cease. Originally posted by Vyper You should read up on US immigration laws and the Mexican economy. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
windwaker Posts: 102/235 |
Originally posted by Vyper Why do I even need to post here when you do my job (albeit less eloquently)? Originally posted by Dracoon First true thing you said all thread. Originally posted by Dracoon If the US government cared about being hypocritical, it would commit suicide. If it was a thing that could commit suicide. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Sinfjotle Posts: 1182/1697 |
The 2004 presidential elections it could've. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Vyper Posts: 151/575 |
...or congress could get off their lazy asses and have a fence built and increase border security. Problem solved.
Too bad everyone's afraid to lose the hispanic vote. It's stupid, really. Only 3% of all voters in 2004 indicated they were of hispanic descent. Since when did that 3% make a difference? That's right, never. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Young Guru Posts: 85/279 |
Originally posted by Snow Tomato One of the most inteligent things said here. Nobody seems to realize that this is the only long term way to curb immigration to the US from Mexico. And our policies of free trade are doing nothing to help improve the Mexican economy. Free trade is going to destroy whatever farm economy they might have because a few US farmers will buy up the cheap land and use the technology we have to make more crops (which probably won't all be used to keep grain prices high) for less money and basically make almost every Mexican farmer jobless. We need to actually enact policy that helps Mexico (and the US) in the long term and not the short. Originally posted by Mattp From my experience there are a lot of US citizens that do manual labor. It is true that a lot of Mexican immigrants do manual labor, but there are also plenty of non-Mexican immigrant US citizens that do manual labor, just go to factories, warehouses, and other such places. Certain regions of the US have a large immigrant work force, but there are plenty of places that do not. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Vyper Posts: 150/575 |
Originally posted by emceeOriginally posted by DracoonThey can't become legal? ARE YOU STUPID OR SOMETHING? Many, many mexicans get legal passes to the US. Get a Visa, a Green Card, a Passport, something!Originally posted by Vyper |