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| Skydude Posts: 2179/2607 |
I think where this thread went way off track was when people decided to discuss real world morality rather than hypothetical issues that would arise from an altered state of things. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sinfjotle Posts: 1189/1697 |
You can eat bugs and bugs are perfectly healthy.
If eatings bugs was more main stream and farmed, we'd feed them less and get more out of them than cows and other live stock. Yes, I would eat bugs. As for global warming, don't even go there, please. Yes, global warming is happening, but it isn't catostrophic global warming, it's a pattern that the planet goes through. Look up the "Medieval Warm Period", where it was much hotter than it is now. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| emcee Posts: 390/867 |
This is only somewhat related, but, isn't it crazy how in some countries people are starving to death, while in others they're having contests to see who can eat the most?
Anyway, not that I'm real anxious to get back on the subject of victimizing animals, but what happened to the original topic? | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Silvershield Posts: 113/587 |
To address your point on oil - I don't have the energy it would take to make all the necessary quotes and whatnot to continue the discussion about meat for the moment - it very much is a global rather than an individual problem. As a consumer, I would love to drive a car that uses less gas, or even one that doesn't use petroleum products at all. Put simply, that's just a matter of money. But governments need to conspire to make such technology affordable and available. As it is now, I'm not going to buy a hybrid car that not only costs me more, but is less convenient to refuel. Investing money in improving the technology and making it more widespread is both wise for the environment and wise for business, but as long as governments are in bed with oil producers, we shouldn't hold our breaths waiting for any significant changes to occur. I'm about as far right-leaning as anyone on this board, but I'll be the first to admit that corruption is so rampant as to allow major corporations to have world governments wrapped around their little fingers.
Edit after noticing that I used the word "major" three times in two sentences... | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Snow Tomato Posts: 665/798 |
So it is "because it's yummy".
It's just an example as to how far an individual will go towards a change. Nothing is ever going to change if people just say "well, it's not my weight to carry". This is more of an issue in the oil thing though. It's obviously killing the environment, there's polar bears falling through the ice caps cause of global warming. And there's extreme weather conditions because of it... but no one's ever gonna do anything because it's "not their fault".. it's out of their control. And that's why there's war and the oil thing happening. With animal rights it's definatly different... because yeah, people obviously need to eat. I can see why people eat meat. But there's alternative forms of energy that we aren't using because america's oil addiction is out of every single individual's hands.. it's part of something bigger.. the economy and the world runs on oil. You've got me on a tangent here. [= | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sin Dogan Posts: 541/861 |
I think you're making it seem like there are two extremes. I mean, obviously, nobody eats meat all the time.(haha thats so gross thinking about it) But eating less meat doesn't mean you have to be the new age alternative vegetarian. All it means is eating less meat. And as Snow proposed, giving what we can do without to others. Certainly THAT's not improbable, old chum. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Silvershield Posts: 112/587 |
Originally posted by Snow TomatoIt's not "necessary" as a dietary stable in the sense that there are all sorts of new-age alternatives, but I'd rather get my protein from a juicy steak rather than a peanut butter sandwich or a hunk of tofu. Sure, it's petty. Sure, it's an issue of taste. But I'm not going to bend over backwards to make some sort of political statement or to save a farm-raised animal's life, an animal that doesn't have much of a life in the first place. If that offends anyone's beliefs, I'm sorry, but vegetarianism is not a value that I hold and, frankly, not a value that I believe to be valid (except when it's a result of health concerns or similar issues instead of simply "I think animals are cute and cuddly, so I don't eat them"). | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sin Dogan Posts: 540/861 |
Yea, so get it from a butcher.  | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Snow Tomato Posts: 664/798 |
I'm suggesting that it's not as necessary as people think it is. Especially when you live in America (or some other 1st world country) with dozens of other options replacing meat. But everyone thinks meat is like water.. you simply need to have it, and you don't.
However lots of other countries don't have options. I'm talking like places where people are starving to death because we're consuming all the food.. and we can afford to share. I've always thought this... but it doesn't seem like it's going to change.. ever. I'm just questioning the necessity of it. And the need for it to be so available to us.. it's ridiculous the amount of meat there is. Its absurd how much meat we consume.. how much food in general we consume is absurd. This has more to do with the concept of enough. I don't think Americans understand the concept of having enough. But I choose not to eat meat because I recognize that I have enough without it. I don't need to contribute money to something I find morally objectionable.. especially if I have a choice. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Silvershield Posts: 111/587 |
Originally posted by Plus Sign AbominationDon't patronize me!!!11 You can't expect humans as a species to suddenly become entirely herbivorous. It's neither practical nor natural nor really even a good idea. I know that I, for one, am not about to give up meat, despite the state of the industry currently. And most people are on the same page as I am. Originally posted by Captain SubtextYeah, I know somebody at school that says "brosef," and I knew that you, of all people, would find it hilarious... I'm not saying we can't do anything about it, but I am saying that it's not practical to do anything about it. Economically, any sort of revolutionary change cannot be made without spoiling the entire state of affairs. To call meat a staple of the American diet would be an understatement, and increasing its price to the point that would be required if animals' conditions were improved is purely and simply not practical. That word keeps coming up but, plainly, it is just an issue of practicality. Edit for the same reason as above, responding to a post that came as I was writing. Sin Dogan |
Posts: 539/861 Brosef? So you're basically saying you too don't agree with their living conditions but we can't do anything 'bout it? Way to be weak. You pathetic waste.  Ziff |
Posts: 981/1800 Heard of agriculture?
| I hear its an old trend that's just coming back now. Really in the vogue, all the Latin American countries are doing it  Silvershield |
Posts: 110/587 Originally posted by Captain SubtextChill out, brosef. I never said their living conditions are especially humane, just their method of execution. (And, honestly, I feel like "execution" is the best way to describe it.) But the animals in question - chickens, specifically - don't live all that long as it is, so it's not a priority. I'm not saying I'm all for current conventions in raising livestock, but the price of meat would shoot up ten times if conditions were improved to the point most people would consider acceptable. That doesn't constitute my approval of how things are, just an acknowledgement that that's how it has to be. Originally posted by Snow TomatoWhat do you suggest? Edit to respond to Snow Tomato, who posted as I was writing. Snow Tomato |
Posts: 662/798 I would be fine if they didn't genetically alter chickens to the point of they can't walk. Their legs physically break under the weight of their own enlarged bodies. I mean, aren't we not supposed to fuck with nature.. isn't that like the big issue with coloning and even to some extent, contraception. It's cruel and inhumane. And if they didn't abuse the animals in the factories I'd be fine with it to. If there was a more humane way to kill them.. I'd be cool.
| What stirs me though is why we feel we have the power to just go out there and mass murder animals? I know, food chain.. they eat each other to. But we've gotten to the point where we don't really have to rely on them for food anymore.. so that's why I refuse to participate in it. You can eat other things.. and actually be healthier. We've tamed the world to a point where we don't have to rely on animals for food anymore. The only reason now is "because it's yummy". "I suppose ideal would be treating each farm-raised chicken as if it were a millionaire's pet poodle, giving it expensive food and its own private living conditions" No. That would be an economically and environmentally STUPID. Just don't keep them in a like 1 foot wide cage.. and stop injecting them with crazy drugs to make them huge- would be nice. Why does everyone assume that people who believe in animal rights are crazy? I think PETA gives us a bad name. I literally get attacked when I even open my mouth for like two sentances.. and it's not just here. Every time I eat and leave meat off my plate I get this look like I have some sort of uncurable mental disease. Ziff |
Posts: 979/1800 Originally posted by SilvershieldOriginally posted by Snow TomatoThe livestock and poultry raised purely to be consumed as food don't have much in the way of a life, anyway. Chickens are born, raised to minimal age, and slaughtered relatively humanely. Larger animals naturally need a longer time to achieve viable size and weight, but can count on a life of plenty as far as food and basic necessities are concerned. No such animal lives a life of luxury, but man is naturally omnivorous and he has tamed the animal kingdom in such a way that, while not ideal - I suppose ideal would be treating each farm-raised chicken as if it were a millionaire's pet poodle, giving it expensive food and its own private living conditions - ably balances economy with some basic degree of humane care. I'm not going to lie. It sounds like the life cycle of the common engineer. Sin Dogan |
Posts: 537/861 Originally posted by SilvershieldOriginally posted by Snow TomatoThe livestock and poultry raised purely to be consumed as food don't have much in the way of a life, anyway. Chickens are born, raised to minimal age, and slaughtered relatively humanely. Larger animals naturally need a longer time to achieve viable size and weight, but can count on a life of plenty as far as food and basic necessities are concerned. No such animal lives a life of luxury, but man is naturally omnivorous and he has tamed the animal kingdom in such a way that, while not ideal - I suppose ideal would be treating each farm-raised chicken as if it were a millionaire's pet poodle, giving it expensive food and its own private living conditions - ably balances economy with some basic degree of humane care. Hahaha. Humanely? It's ridiculous the way they're treated. Chickens stacked on top of one another in crowded silos clawing each others eyes out. Sows belted down while it feeds its children, among other things. It's completely disgusting. Bottom line: Animals don't deserve to be treated like shit. They're basically prepped to produce the most meat and it's so stupid if you see that this is what's making America fat while others starve. WHO NEEDS THAT MUCH MEAT?! Silvershield |
Posts: 108/587 Originally posted by Snow TomatoThe livestock and poultry raised purely to be consumed as food don't have much in the way of a life, anyway. Chickens are born, raised to minimal age, and slaughtered relatively humanely. Larger animals naturally need a longer time to achieve viable size and weight, but can count on a life of plenty as far as food and basic necessities are concerned. No such animal lives a life of luxury, but man is naturally omnivorous and he has tamed the animal kingdom in such a way that, while not ideal - I suppose ideal would be treating each farm-raised chicken as if it were a millionaire's pet poodle, giving it expensive food and its own private living conditions - ably balances economy with some basic degree of humane care. Like it or not, a human being naturally consumes meat, and the only methods that could produce meat on such a large scale are not methods that many animal rights activists are all that fond of. It's just the way it has to be. Snow Tomato |
Posts: 658/798 It's not politically charged. It's a fact. I'm an animal lover, and I love the environment. But when someone starts talking about animal rights or the environment.. they're suddenly a politically charged crazy lunatic with an agenda.
| It's nothing on you, it's the way everyone looks at it. Well if they could talk and feel emotions.. are they not a sentient being? Skydude |
Posts: 2158/2607 You make some interesting points, Snow, and I feel it's a shame you had to turn that into a politically charged rant.
| As for why it would be wrong, it's not about lack of consent, per se, so much as that being a more easily understandable discussion of a sentient vs a non-sentient being. Squash Monster |
Posts: 205/296 Kinda strange with the masochist squirrels there, Snowy. Everyone who's ever met a squirrel knows they'd be sadists.
| I don't care for furries, but my ladyfriend looks unbearably cute in cat ears. But she looks unbearably cute all the time so that's nothing new. In theory, we put dogs to sleep to spare them a slow and painful death. But yes, we still don't do that for humans. I guess we must just like dogs better. This is a long thread. Click here to view it. | | ||||||
