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| Jomb Posts: 182/448 |
The day they install spy cameras in my home, and read all my mail, is the day i join the next revolution and fight to the death for my freedom! |
| ||bass Posts: 259/594 |
Originally posted by DracoonThat's a good point though. I mean I don't really care either way because I have no sence of privacy anyway. I proudly (and publically) stand by every decision I've ever made and I meant everything I've ever said. Also the fact that I'm Catholic and so I think God sees everything you do anyway. So I kinda feel as though I'm being watched 24/7 anyway. Government getting in on the action wouldn't change much from my view. |
| Sinfjotle Posts: 1071/1697 |
It boils down to personal preference. Some people don't mind being open to everything, some people like their privacy.
I just think that doing it secretively is a bad idea. If they notified me they were going to check my e-mails because I was a suspect for something, I'd go ahead and not complain. |
| ||bass Posts: 257/594 |
Originally posted by DracoonWell if there was a choice in the matter, it would ruin the whole point. All the Bin Ladins and the Unibombers would choose not to participate in the program. The only people who would opt-in to the mail-watch program would be people like me who don't do anything against the law and therefore don't care. Why would I care if the police read my email and saw I was involved in all these legal, boring things? |
| Sinfjotle Posts: 1069/1697 |
The whole thing about not being notified and not having a choice in the matter. |
| ||bass Posts: 255/594 |
Originally posted by DracoonI don't see the problem with that either. I'm not mailing drugs or bombs in the mail so wtf difference does it make. |
| Sinfjotle Posts: 1066/1697 |
If you don't care about your privacy, why don't they just read your real mail next? Come on, it's only a little step further what could it hurt? |
| ||bass Posts: 253/594 |
I'll write a fuller reply when I actually get home. I will however take this moment to point out that anyone who sends 'private' information over PLAINTEXT SMTP deserves to have their mail read. |
| Sinfjotle Posts: 1064/1697 |
Originally posted by ||bassOriginally posted by TaraleI don't see any problem with that. My life is Uncle Sam's life. I haven't done anything ilegal, I don't see what difference it would make if the government reads my e-mails. I throughily and absoloutly do not belive in any right to privacy. I don't see the word "privacy" in the constitution and to hell with the Burgher court and it's improper judicial activism. I make no attempt to hide any information from anyone because I'm not doing or saying things I shouldn't be. My name, address, and phone number are even posted publically on the interner as the reg, admin, tech, and billing contacts for acmlm.org. Give me liberty or give me death! We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Notice the word "liberty". 1. The condition of being free from restriction or control. 2. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing. 3. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom. # Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control. # A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights. I don't want the government being involved in my affairs. Just because you don't mind, doesn't mean I mind. If I were to jokingly say "I fucking hate you, you should die" in an e-mail, I might get arrested because that's a threat. Even if it's a joke, it's still a threat. I don't say it in public, because I fucking know better, but in private, I'm going to say it as it's part of my personality to joke like that. Could I just stop saying it? Sure, but I don't want to and it's not harmful to anyone. |
| Tarale Posts: 712/2713 |
Originally posted by ||bass I don't buy that for a minute either. If I'm unhappy about the idea of somebody reading something I wrote (or recieved) it is because it was a confidential matter discussed between myself and the sender/recipient. It doesn't mean that it didn't need to be written, it doesn't mean that I should feel ashamed, and it doesn't mean that I should be fine with somebody poking around in my "dirty laundry". Sorry, but that statement tends to paint the picture that if people are embarassed or ashamed that they wrote something that is wrong and I disagree with that. People have a right to talk about things in confidence, and this destroys that confidence without either party's permission! |
| Arwon Posts: 161/631 |
Your life is Uncle Sam's life? How awful for you.
*hug* Also I suspect that to Tarale "there's no right to privacy in the Constitutiion of the United States" means precisely squat as an argument against privacy. As far as I'm aware, the US constitution is not the be-all and end-all of rights for all humanity, and just because something's not in a document written two-hundred-plus years ago doesn't mean it's not a valid right, and it certainly doesn't mean people have no grounds to feel they should have a right to privacy in their personal affairs. The idea that the government should have all this unfettered and arbitrary power to spy on people's private affairs, be it email snooping, phone tapping, bugging, whatever, is abhorrent and extremely dangerous. The principle in play here is that excessive and arbitrary power makes a government grow lazy, abusive and corrupt, and contemptuous of the people. Some of us don't want a government that thinks it's above basic accountability and decency and respect for human dignity. Tarale's hit the nail on the head, it's about a sense of violation, a sense of security, a sense that the Government doesn't have the right to do whatever it fucking wants just because it says it can. |
| ||bass Posts: 252/594 |
Originally posted by TaraleI don't see any problem with that. My life is Uncle Sam's life. I haven't done anything ilegal, I don't see what difference it would make if the government reads my e-mails. I throughily and absoloutly do not belive in any right to privacy. I don't see the word "privacy" in the constitution and to hell with the Burgher court and it's improper judicial activism. I make no attempt to hide any information from anyone because I'm not doing or saying things I shouldn't be. My name, address, and phone number are even posted publically on the interner as the reg, admin, tech, and billing contacts for acmlm.org. See for yourself -> http://www.easywhois.org/ If people are ashamed or embarassed about people reading things they wrote, that means they probably shouldn't have written it to begin with. |
| Tarale Posts: 708/2713 |
Originally posted by ||bass So you would have no problem with somebody you don't know reading every last one of your e-mails (without your permission or knowledge at the time), and then following email addresses in your inbox to every last one of your friends and family as well? Frankly, I'd feel pretty violated. I haven't done anything wrong, but they would then have access to some fairly angry and emotional ranting I made to a friend overseas concerning the actions of my ex; and a few other things that are private. And if they are allowed to just go in and read all my emails, what next? |
| ||bass Posts: 251/594 |
I'm with Scatterheart on this one.
If you haven't done anything wrong, you shouldn't be worried. If you have done something wrong, you deserve to be caught and punished. I don't see where the mountains of concern come from here. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 103/557 |
First Europe, now Australia...I wonder when America will give it up, too.
...Nah, probably never (3 guesses as to why I said that  ) |
| Ailure Posts: 1249/2602 |
BIG BROTHER LOOOLZ. Eh, anyway I moved it. I don't have anything great to say about it though, apart from me being very against this stuff. |
| Arwon Posts: 159/631 |
Originally posted by geeogree When did this government give us privacy? You must be confusing us for a country with defined rights. |
| Tarale Posts: 701/2713 |
Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination Precisely, it's the slippery slope. What's to say that they will only use this for good and not for anything evil / dodgy / otherwise just not right? Also, I'm not doing anything illegal either; but that also doesn't mean that I'm happy to lose my privacy.  |
| Sinfjotle Posts: 1042/1697 |
I don't want the government to know everyone I talk to. I don't want them to pull that out for the public to see.
I have stuff to hide, not from the government, but the people in the government. I don't want random agent #34897234 to know that I'm (hypothetically) self-destructive and cut myself while listening to emo rock. |
| geeogree Posts: 140/207 |
and that is a fair worry... we've all seen/read enough things where governments control everything you can say or hear.... and that is bad...
but I still don't care if the government can read my e-mails |
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