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| ||bass Posts: 246/594 |
No, see. You're missing the point. The point is that I compleatly don't give a shit either way. On a mental level, I don't care in the least. It's not a mental urge in any way, it's kind of like a physical discomfort. Like a pressure that builds up. It's not even all the time either, it's very sporadic. That doesn't fit into anything I've ever heard about OCD.
PS: When I mean sporadic. I mean it might happen all day solid for a day and then not happen again for a month. Random random random. |
| Jomb Posts: 178/448 |
OCD came immediately to mind when you mentioned the ritual of it, and the way its something inconsequential that you just do for no clear reason. If you talked to a professional about it i'm fairly sure they'd either say mild OCD, or something related to that. Not everyone who has OCD always had it severely. For many people it starts out as something minor thats not a big deal to them, but over time it becomes obsessive behavior they have great difficulty controlling. Or maybe its just an annoying habit. I would'nt worry about it unless it gets to the point where you just HAVE to do it or you cant sleep at night. |
| ||bass Posts: 245/594 |
I don't think it's so much OCD though because I don't really give a shit. It's like a physical uncomfortableness.... sort of, like an itch but not, and repeating myself "scratches" it so to speak. Dunno really how to explain. |
| Jomb Posts: 174/448 |
It sounds like OCD to me....
I've had some experience in this field myself, i was once a psychology major.. but i switched. I switched because after seeing how some of the operations were being run i was sickened by the greed of it all. I cant speak about psychiatrists, but my experience with psychologists is that many of them (not all, but enough to make me want no association with the thing) are primarily interested in the greenbacks. People come in, they have some minor problem.. lets make it seem worse than it is, after all time is money and we want to keep talking. Lets make them think they cant possibly deal with any problem themselves, they need our expert advice, which costs money. Lets get them into a therapy group, that way they have to show up regularly and many pay money at once to sit in a group and listen to other people's problems. There is nothing most people can gain from a psychologist that they could'nt gain from just getting advice from a friend or family member. But the psychologist charges big bucks for that shoulder to cry on. |
| ||bass Posts: 244/594 |
As long as were on the subject of the brain in general. Let's consider this.
I have this really anoying habit where I repeat myself several times when I say something out loud. It can be any random thing and it's not all the time. Any repititions after the first, I can usually say much more quietly so that people don't notice. Sometimes I can even mouth the words without saying them and it's enough. When it happens though, I'll say the same thing 2, 4, 6, or even 8 or more times. That's another thing, it's always an even number. If I repeat the phrase so that the total number of utterances is an odd number, I get really uncomfortable until I make it even. Since we seem to have so many self-professed experts here, would any of you like to take a shot at labeling and categorizing me? Or just admit that people are unique and can have unique tics, habits, conditions, personality, etc. Bring it OOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN. |
| ||bass Posts: 243/594 |
Originally posted by Alastor the StylishIt's not inane. Cynical perhaps, but I have way too many friends who have, in the past, been pumped full of meds and send on their way while the doctor sends a fat bill. You're just lucky that your family is of a rare breed of people who actually have integrity and morals. Be thankful that you seem to come from a line of people who actually try to help people. You give Joe Average too much credit. I don't have as much faith in people as you do, clearly. |
| Alastor Posts: 4059/8204 |
And that's where I would disagree, ||bass. I work part time in the office of a psychiatric practice and, in my experience at the very least, such things are not diagnosed so quickly... And, while some people are just terrible at their jobs or are completely money-grubbing, there are some damn fine psychiatrists out there who completely break from such things. The notion that they're all just out to throw labels on things and take money from people for ridiculous things is... Well, it's quite offensive to me, having more than one psychiatrist in the family.
You... All you're really saying is complete conjecture, perhaps based on personal experiences. You're not an expert in the field. I'm not an expert in the field, either, though I would wager that my limited experience in the area is probably worth something. Your argument just comes off as... Well, inane. |
| Sinfjotle Posts: 1054/1697 |
Originally posted by Glyph Phoenix Fix'D. I've thought similiar to what ||Bass has said, but I would've never been able to say it so well. It's not belittling the people, just the doctors and such. However, I also think many things can be worked around with pure will power. (Not like cancer, or even the common cold.) |
| Glyphodon Posts: 128/536 |
||Bass has a good point. There's a point where mental disabilities stop being disabilities and start being part of your personality. The symptoms of Aspergers are too general and too varied. There's so much grey area that this syndrome has become a big mess.
Sure, there are likely people affected so heavily by these symptoms that they can't function normally. But the symptoms are so debatable that I seriously doubt most cases are cases at all, but mistakes driven by overprotective parents, overanalyst psychologists, and the arguably aflicted. |
| ||bass Posts: 242/594 |
Originally posted by Alastor the StylishYou're definately right. The problem is, you have WAY TOO MUCH faith in the general public. You're mixing common sense and reality with social perception which, as you know, are not even remotely related. Remember, Joe Society's brain turns off after hearing about condition Z for the 500th time. He stops caring and that's NOT what's supposed to happen. It's like the boy who cried wolf. If suddenly everyone has some syndrome or disorder, the people who ACTUALLY do have it get ignored. Lenina (my fianceé) has so many issues that they can't even definitvely tell us what they are let alone properly treat them. The problem is that there are armies of psyciatrists and drug companies cashing in on the latest syndrome with a catchy acronym and a media spotlight. I'm not saying that any disorders are meaningless, I'm saying that the medical profession is far too eager to say "you have a condition! you need pills NOW! you need to visit once a week for therapy until my new boat is paid off! you need X, Y, and Z!". Ultimately I don't belive in conditions and syndromes because I firmly belive that if you have a problem that it's a specific problem unique to you. Bio has a condition unique to bio. Schwa has a condition unique to schwa. Firemaker has a condition unique to Firemaker. etc. Lumping all of them together and saying "you are group X" serves no purpose other then objectifying them. Unique people DESERVE to treated uniquely and not according to some generalized cut-out pattern. I hate being categorized, I find it degrading and objectifying. When someone says "I am -insert label-." they ultimately sell themselves short. |
| Deleted User Posts: 313/-7750 |
Originally posted by Schwa I thought Ailure was just a furry, but oh well. 
Anyway, on the subject of Aspergers, I don't think the real problem here is misdiagnosis, it's more so the negative stigma attached by the patient and others to the disorder itself. I think the majority of disorders are labels for the convience of doctors when transferring or discussing patient issues, rather than having to tick off all the symptoms that patient expresses. |
| Alastor Posts: 4054/8204 |
There's no B in Asperger.
Also, ||bass... I disagree with the insinuation that such disorders are meaningless. Retarded social development is very much quantifiable and unusual. It's certainly not the most unhealthy of problems, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist... And, humoring you for a bit, even if you were right I don't see how your logic works in coming to its conclusion. Light things don't degrade from serious things at all. If I have Asperger's Syndrome, that doesn't mean my brother doesn't have cancer. |
| Schwa Posts: 170/328 |
Guys, I hate to say it, but I'm the GURU on Asperger's. Of all the posters on this Board, I daresay I'm the proudest of them all to have what I have, and I seriously do consider ANYone who is an Aspie to be my full-fledged brother or sister. Nobody can convince me otherwise!!
And on the subject, it's not a true "disability". To say that, I dunno... Ailure, has a "disability" called Aspergers, would have to imply that he/she (can't tell which based on username color) is even disabled in the first place, which he/she doesn't seem to be. What Asperger's is instead is an IMPAIRMENT. Remember that, everyone! And, of course, all Aspies have some great talent of some kind. Mine is writing and/or computers. An Aspie on the news recently proved to be a god at basketball. Someone else may have taught themself the piano at the age of 5. These talents, I have deduced, probably come from our "tunnelvision", a.k.a. the trait of COMPLETELY hyperfocusing on the one thing you're doing at any given time, giving us a window to become a master of our trade. In conclusion, I suppose it's safe to say that, compared to a "normal" person (a.k.a. Lemming, the name I have for all non-Aspies), Aspies have "more jagged stat-charts", in RPG speak. You guys get what I mean by that? I hope so. This message has been brought to you by Schwa, and Schwa is the Law. |
| Ailure Posts: 1238/2602 |
||bass, to be honest I actually suspected you had Aspberger's for a long time, however you would have to ask a expert about it. (I did suspect Acmlm for a very long time and I found out he had). Also, where you study practically attracts people with Aspberger. I jokingly say that Silicon valley consists of people with Aspberger.
I don't find aspberger very common, yet I do recnoise people with it. I could probably point out a few in my class sure, but my course is related to "nerdy stuff". :p You probably would have to contact a real psychologist to get any good answer at this though. |
| firemaker Posts: 143/194 |
I also have asperger's syndrome (not that I really think it should be called a syndrome). Anyway i seem to have remembered this conversation off the old board aswell. |
| ||bass Posts: 241/594 |
You need to learn to critically read to derive meaning. IF you had taken the time to actually READ anything I just said and didn't stare at the words for 20 seconds, thinking you've understood them and then pulling some wild assumption out of the sky, you'd be singing a different tune.
I didn't say "everyone who has been diagnosed with a disorder/etc. is faking it". What I said was that everything is somehow a syndrome to the ASA. People just like you are the victems in this case. Heres the problem: Lets say we have 100 people, 5 of which have an actual condition of some kind. The AMA says 40 of them have one condition or another regardless of the fact that 35 of those 40 are well within the range of perfectly fine. Now the condition has been normalized and that's going to cause nobody to take the people with the real problem's seriously. Do you freaking get it now? If everyone and their monther has some condition, the whole concept of "having a problem" loses its meaning. If everyone is sick, then noone is sick, and the people with actual real issues get ignored. ...but no, I'm the bad guy because god forbid my posts actually get looked into for deeper meaning. ||bass is one mean SOB and everything he posts HAS to be nasty right? Thanks again for reading and not just skimming my posts with asssumptions and preconceptions. |
| 1106 Posts: 87/89 |
Originally posted by ||bass Right, everyone who has been diagnosed with a disorder/etc. is faking it. Oh yes, I force myself to suffer with tics, a shitty fucking memory, anger issues, and "impulsive" acts because I want people to completely ignore my intelligence. I allowed myself to be this way, is that it? There is no such thing as ADHD, I'm just a lazy fucking cretin? Please, good sir, tell me how to deal with these issues. Starbeams and rainbows? _¬ I am not going to go into exactly why, for I would probably devolve into incoherent namecalling, but you are so fucking far off, it hurts. Even writing this is making me infuriated to the point of having a headache. I swear, it's ignorant people like you who make people go over the edge.  |
| ||bass Posts: 240/594 |
Hey, I was just wondering.
Is there any free money from the government involved in this? |
| ||bass Posts: 234/594 |
I think a good chunk of people diagnosed with Asperger's don't actually have it. Psycologists and psyciatrists, espically in the US, seem to somehow thing everything is somehow a syndrome or a condition. The problem with this is that it implies that any deviation from the norm is a problem that needs to be somehow "fixed".
Lets look at the Wikipedia broad definiton: "In very broad terms, individuals with Asperger's have normal or above average intellectual capacity, and atypical or poorly developed social skills, often with emotional/social development or integration happening later than usual as a result." Now, I am a Computer Science major at the University of Connecticut. The above sentence accurately describes just about every one of my classmates. Many of them have probably been diagnosed with Asperger's. Do that many have the condition? Probably not. The definition of Asperger's fits ALOT of people. Having now read the Wikipedia article in full, I've noticed that I have virtually every single so-called "symptom" mentioned in the ENTIRE ARTICLE. I'm smart, my coordination sucks, I'm very good at what I do, I tend to take people very literally, and I don't really give a shit about what other people are feeling. People who know me from IRC will also attest to the fact that I reinvent the English language as I go along. Does all this add up to some ominous condition? No. It's called my personality. |
| Ailure Posts: 1214/2602 |
Originally posted by emcee Good question indeed, I don't dare to say anything about if there's a such line or not as i'm not a psychiatrist. Even of psychology intrests me a bit. You have to remember though, that people with the exactly same syndrome can still differ alot. :p God, I remember outright offending other people when I was younger, without even realizing it. So yes, I had my hurdles with Aspberger but as older I get, the less problems I have with them. And apart from me being quite excentric, I fit quite well into a normal society nowdays. 
And the relationships between Autism<->Aspberger it's... well... *shrug*. My mom jokingly said "Depends on the psychiatrist you ask." Personally, I see my syndrome as a good thing.  I do have a high IQ, but that test was done when I was like... six years old. :/ (though personally, I think it's stupid to brag about your IQ. But I have been considering to join MENSA, considering I passed a mini-test on their site with all answers being right. ) |
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