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| Zem Posts: 45/1097 |
Hrm.
Maybe I'll talk about sprite comics sometime later, but for now I'll note this. The art doesn't have to be great, creative, or even different from strip to strip in order to make a good comic (see Death to the Extremist and Dinosaur Comics). But regardless of how the visuals are deployed, if you're making comics you're working with a visual medium. The problem with this and the vast majority of sprite comics is that they're rough drafts. Someone who can't draw wants to make a comic. He sees a few good sprite comics and thinks "I can do that." He has a few ideas, so he opens up his image editor of choice, copies and pastes some sprites in, types in the dialog, and TA-DA!!!! IT LOOKS JUST LIKE THE PROS! Of course, the truth is that any good creator of comics spends a good chunk of time on each strip (well, some more than others), whether or not that shows through in the art. But hey, you can't tell just by looking at 'em!!!! The point is, sprite comics have a well-deserved reputation for being bad. They suck because they're easy to make. Not all sprite comics are bad, but because they're so easy to pump out, the vast majority is just random debris from people who have GREAT NEW IDEAS FOR HOT NEW COMICS and don't realize it takes time and effort to produce something good. Riku, I don't want you to get all depressed because your comic sucked. I don't want you to get the idea that you shouldn't express yourself through whatever. Just realize that you need to take time to make sure you're happy with what you've got. Honestly, I can't imagine that if you had kept these for a while and read over them that you would have thought they were what you wanted them to be. I made shitty sprite comics. I made three different series of shitty sprite comics. I released mine in an environment where I wouldn't get any criticism. I didn't have to deal with harsh cutdowns, of course, but it also meant that I put plenty of shit out there with my name on it before I realized I was just doing something wrong. I haven't made any comics since. Right now I'm learning to draw for real. I have some ideas I'd like to explore. My brother and I have an idea for a comic we could work on together. I'll just have to wait and see. I've embarrassed myself in other ways, too. Not too long ago I was producing what I called "poetry" on these very boards. Same kind of thing. From the layman's perspective, it's sometimes hard to tell a good poem from a bunch of random crap scribbled on a piece of paper. I took away the wrong idea from this fact and started scribbling. Once I had a bunch of sentences that vaguely described a sort-of deepish idea I kind of had in my mind, I figured... hey, you can't tell this from "real" poetry. I guess I'm doing it right! Man. I don't know how I put up with myself. Well, I was in high school. That's my excuse. Anyway. My point is, don't worry that nobody likes your comic. It's a bad comic. Don't worry that you put up a bad comic for everybody to see. Don't think that just because you tried pretty hard and created a bad comic and everybody saw it and laughed at you that you need to lock yourself away and not express yourself anymore. Just... get some self-respect. Contrary to what I've been saying about releasing comics, I'm not going to look over this post before I submit it. I hope the parts about me didn't overcrowd the other stuff. |
| Schweiz oder etwas Posts: 35/2046 |
Dear Cymoro and Kyouji...
Keep in mind, please, that your standards of humor are often very different than the target audience of the humor's creator. This in no way implies that you are tasteless in your consumption of Riku's jokes, but at the same time, as the same could be easily said by any one person on the internet about any work that you people submit, your opinions are no more valid than the next person's, and therefore should not be pressed any harder than his or hers. You have NOT: -Described your views on comedy to Riku so that perhaps he could possibly change his style so that it was wittier and more entertaining. -Done anything other than come into this situation biased against sprite comics, despite the fact that as long as you stop regarding them as art and start regarding them as a source of entertainment from people who want to please but can only write and not draw they'd be a lot more appreciated. Perhaps showing him where his grammar incorrections or his ---- ah, fuck it. Riku, you were totally right to want to stop making this comic. It really does suck. You need to follow Zem's advice, Cymoro's advice, and Kyouji's blatant bashing of sprite comics and find a new medium to express yourself. Some of your sillier jokes were good, I did giggle at a few of them, but it was the giggle of a man who has seen that humor before and fondly remembered it entertaining him back when he did. Try again, please, but next time maybe you should reconsider your art form. A story, one you write yourself and keep on paper, leaving the visuals to the imagination of the reader? Or maybe you could try really drawing, nobody's truly bad at it (except maybe me), after all. Request fulfilled, Riku. Thread title's been changed. I hope you try again sometime soon. |
| Cymoro Posts: 32/-244 |
For the love of god, listen to Zem, he knows what he's talking about. These jokes are either unfunny, cliche, or just don't make any sense at all. And you should be putting the most effort into these that you can. Get OCD about it, add some finishing details, and make sure it's to what you want.
From what you've been saying, it sounds like you're trying to meet other people's expectations (low), and that's not good. Aim high. |
| Alastor Posts: 76/8204 |
And the common folk used to say the earth was flat. We all know how that turned out  |
| Riku Posts: 55/1823 |
I did put effort into it, But people used to say it was good no matter how bad. Back when MS Paint was used like Lunar Magic. |
| Zem Posts: 32/1097 |
Originally posted by Riku Just submit it as a fan comic over at Bob and George. They'll love you there. Wait. So are you saying you didn't put in as much effort as you could have into these comics, because you thought standards were lower? Wow. Way to have pride your work there, chief. |
| Alastor Posts: 75/8204 |
That last one was "kinda sorta" funny... I smiled at it, at least... But the rest were of no quantifiable improvement over the last.
And listen to what Zem said. "A few weeks" is not "not that long." AND FIX THE DAMNED WHITE OUTLINES ALREADY. You've made them better, yes, but they need to be GONE. |
| Riku Posts: 54/1823 |
None of you are easily made to laugh if you don't think what happened to me. It took a while to make these, and I'll fix them right away. Thanks for the tips guys. The internet isn't as easily amused as it used to be.  |
| Zem Posts: 30/1097 |
Here's a possible fix for bad humor:
Don't upload the comics right away. Make five hundred or however many you crank out in a sitting, then wait a couple days to a week - maybe a few weeks! - and read over them. Are they funny? No. The punchlines are forced and awkwardly timed. You can't magically make yourself funnier, but if you wait and go over your work a few times before you release it into the wild, you can cut down on the losers and refine what's good. Punk. |
| Yoshi Dude Posts: 40/1408 |
-Bad grammar
-Annoying extra white space (fix that, damn it) -Bad jokes -Lame use of sprites Lack of humor is difficult to fix, but the other three points alone will bring a lot of improvement. Especially the grammar, ugh. I hate how so many comics have those kind of errors. Is it so hard to proofread? I would also like to note that these points have already been stated. See, when you don't listen, you fail to notice the specific, constructive criticism. Pay attention. |
| Alastor Posts: 72/8204 |
No, your jokes aren't funny. I stopped paying attention to the storyline after a few comics because it wasn't worth paying attention to.
But then, I have pretty high standards for storylines, so you don't have to take that as bad. The jokes were pretty bad, though. |
| Riku Posts: 52/1823 |
Can we make it constructive criticism? How can I improve? More specific. Are any of my jokes funny? Is it my storyline that makes it bad? |
| Cymoro Posts: 29/-244 |
Originally posted by Riku The whole point of criticism is pointing out the negatives, not praising the positives. If I were to keep praising you and not mention the bad, the bad would get worse. It's happened, hell, there's communities that do nothing but praise, and we call those "crappy fanfics about Dragonball Z" communities. But I digress. Listen to us pointing out the negatives, and make them positives. |
| Riku Posts: 51/1823 |
But really, I feel like I wasted my comic. I will make it better. Sorry. I just don't like it when all they notice is the negative side of my comic, and not the positive side.
Originally posted by Alastor the Stylish I just want to know. Was this an offensive comment, or just another "IMO", Kyouji? |
| Yoshi Dude Posts: 37/1408 |
Oh adblock, you are so kind <3Originally posted by RikuHuh. Really, don't be lazy. People aren't giving harsh criticisim for the "soul" purpose of bringing you down, there's a reason why they're saying these things. Maybe you should listen, as opposed to making vague remarks about the FAQ because your feelings got hurt. If you can't handle criticism, do not post your work. Crap like "My anger can only be expressed through MSPaint." is not okay. He made good points. Listen! Your comic may not improve, but at least you won't look like a jackass in the process. |
| Riku Posts: 48/1823 |
You know I disregard you for a reason. I read everything you say. |
| Alastor Posts: 70/8204 |
I repeat myself only because you casually disregard what I have to say, though. |
| Riku Posts: 46/1823 |
Originally posted by Alastor the Stylish If it annoyed people that bad, they shouldn't have posted nor clicked on the thread other then the soul purpose of bringing us down. Seriously, you need a chill pill. Geez. Cy came out with it, but you are dragging butt. One post and one post only should pretty show what you wanted to say. For a mod, you sure don't obey small parts of the FAQ. |
| Alastor Posts: 68/8204 |
Translation: I'm a lazy bastard who doesn't mind annoying the hell out of people if it will save me work. |
| Riku Posts: 45/1823 |
Originally posted by Cymoro I told you before. I didn't notice it till I uploaded them. I'm not messing with them anymore. |
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